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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you are recommending we do, what you are scared Iran might do?
    I'm not worried about Iran's subterfuge. I'm more worried about Iran gaining nuclear weapons and using them against Israel or in the US. I'm quite sure they'd LOVE to wipe New York and DC with a nuke.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm not worried about Iran's subterfuge. I'm more worried about Iran gaining nuclear weapons and using them against Israel or in the US. I'm quite sure they'd LOVE to wipe New York and DC with a nuke.
    I'm not worried in the least about Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Because they know that if they ever used one they would be a smudge spot in the middle east. They have never attacked us or Israel in the past for the same reason.


    If you want to provide incentive for Iran to cool it with the nukes, the US and the other original members of the Security Council should live up to their end of the treaty.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you want to provide incentive for Iran to cool it with the nukes, the US and the other original members of the Security Council should live up to their end of the treaty.
    I'm sorry, but I just can't buy that. Iran would more likely take this as a sign of weakness or faltering, and attempt to press their "advantage."

    Iran engages in a lot of big talk that they cannot possibly back up. Can we agree on that? They put together this "18th Fleet" which consists of a supply ship and an aging frigate. Anyone else would be embarrassed to call that a mere squadron. But apparently Iran doesn't realize how people in the know are laughing hard at this. Iran apparently believes their own bull**** and don't realize that people who deal with nuts and bolts realities are immune to such crap. People that practice bull**** like this, or present a macho facade, are not impressed by opponents that fail to respond in kind. We, in the US, may treasure high ideals, but we must not presume that everyone else in world thinks the same way.

    To capitulate in the manner you suggest would send entirely the wrong signals to Iran. I understand what you intend, I just don't think it would be received in the manner that you would receive it. Iran would suppose that the US is weakening and this would only strengthen their resolve. It would make the situation worse.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I'm sorry, but I just can't buy that. Iran would more likely take this as a sign of weakness or faltering, and attempt to press their "advantage."
    If we don't comply with the treaty, why should Iran?

    Iran engages in a lot of big talk that they cannot possibly back up. Can we agree on that?
    When you don't have squat to defend yourself against the Western powers, bluff is all you got!

    They put together this "18th Fleet" which consists of a supply ship and an aging frigate. Anyone else would be embarrassed to call that a mere squadron. But apparently Iran doesn't realize how people in the know are laughing hard at this. Iran apparently believes their own bull**** and don't realize that people who deal with nuts and bolts realities are immune to such crap. People that practice bull**** like this, or present a macho facade, are not impressed by opponents that fail to respond in kind. We, in the US, may treasure high ideals, but we must not presume that everyone else in world thinks the same way.
    You just admit their military is a joke, so why worry about them? Why have they never attacked us in the past? Because they are not suicidal. That won't change if they get a few nukes.

    To capitulate in the manner you suggest would send entirely the wrong signals to Iran. I understand what you intend, I just don't think it would be received in the manner that you would receive it. Iran would suppose that the US is weakening and this would only strengthen their resolve. It would make the situation worse.
    "The only thing that would make the situation worse is if we interject ourselves. As our former National Security Advisor noted, "We don't need to go to war,” he said in an interview on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS, according to a transcript. “And we have to make that very clear to our Israeli friends. We're not going to go to war. They're not going to go to war by flying over our airspace over Iraq. We're not going to support them. If they do it, they will be on their own. The consequences will be theirs, because the price we'll all pay if they start a massive war, which the Iranians interpret as being done with our connivance, will be disastrous for us in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in the terms of oil, stability in the Middle East more generally."
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You just admit their military is a joke, so why worry about them? Why have they never attacked us in the past? Because they are not suicidal. That won't change if they get a few nukes.
    What if they don't use their military? What if they supply a warhead to the Hezbollah, who sneak it into Manhattan and set it off? Of course we'd blame Iran, but Iran might think if we were foolish enough to believe the line that they would never build nukes, then maybe we'd also believe the claim that they were innocent, that Hezbollah "stole" the warhead. I doubt anyone in the US would believe that for a minute, but consider that Iran actually thought people would be impressed by their piddly "18th Fleet!" If they would think that fools everyone, they might also believe that weak and transparent excuses might also fool everyone.

    It's not Iran's military that worries me, it's their narcissism and their unmitigated gall that worries me. Both could easily lead them into astoundingly stupid actions.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm not worried in the least about Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Because they know that if they ever used one they would be a smudge spot in the middle east. They have never attacked us or Israel in the past for the same reason.
    Depends on your pov. Naturally Iran has never attacked the US, we're too far away from them to do so. Though I'm sure that them saying that we are the Great Satan just means that they are just full of love for us huh?

    As far as Israel goes Iran directly funds Hamas. And Ahmadinejad has stated that he wants Israel wiped off the face of the map.

    Yeah, Iran may not have attacked the US or Israel yet, but I have no doubt that they would.

    Also you're talking about a religious government that believes in 12 virgins waiting for them in the afterlife if they do something great, like sacrifice themselves in a jihad. So sorry if the fact that we can make them a "smudge spot" doesn't satisfy me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you want to provide incentive for Iran to cool it with the nukes, the US and the other original members of the Security Council should live up to their end of the treaty.
    I'm assuming that you are talking about the disarmament bit of the NPT. We probably would if it wasn't for all the other countries having them, including the ones that have not signed the NPT. And it would be stupid in the extreme to get rid of nukes when other countries have them.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    What if they don't use their military? What if they supply a warhead to the Hezbollah, who sneak it into Manhattan and set it off?

    Of course we'd blame Iran, but Iran might think if we were foolish enough to believe the line that they would never build nukes, then maybe we'd also believe the claim that they were innocent, that Hezbollah "stole" the warhead. I doubt anyone in the US would believe that for a minute, but consider that Iran actually thought people would be impressed by their piddly "18th Fleet!" If they would think that fools everyone, they might also believe that weak and transparent excuses might also fool everyone.

    It's not Iran's military that worries me, it's their narcissism and their unmitigated gall that worries me. Both could easily lead them into astoundingly stupid actions.
    What if Isreal were to sneak a warhead into Iran and set it off? What if North Korea, or Pakistan, or any of the countries out there supply a weapon to terrorists who sneak it into manhattan and set it off?? With tens of thousand of nukes around the world, that is always going to be a possibility. That is why the NPT was created. The signatories like Iran and other non-nuclear states agreed not to develop nukes if the superpowers with nukes disposed of their arsenals. The idea was to create a world free of nuclear risk. Only the superpowers have not lived up to their end of the treaty, so there is no incentive for the non-nuclear states to comply either.

    The do as I say, not as I do model, does not encourage compliance.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Depends on your pov. Naturally Iran has never attacked the US, we're too far away from them to do so. Though I'm sure that them saying that we are the Great Satan just means that they are just full of love for us huh?
    We were right next door to them in Iraq for almost a decade? Did Iran attack the US? No. Much of the world dislikes the US, are we going to start attacking every one that doesn't love us?

    As far as Israel goes Iran directly funds Hamas.
    Just as we directly fund Israel. Only we provide much more funding to Israel than Iran does to Hamas.

    And Ahmadinejad has stated that he wants Israel wiped off the face of the map.
    And the fat old man in Iraq said death to America. It didn't make him an actual threat to us.

    Yeah, Iran may not have attacked the US or Israel yet, but I have no doubt that they would.
    They have not acted suicidal in the past so there is no indication they will act suicidal in the future.

    Also you're talking about a religious government that believes in 12 virgins waiting for them in the afterlife if they do something great, like sacrifice themselves in a jihad. So sorry if the fact that we can make them a "smudge spot" doesn't satisfy me.
    I think you have the Iranians confused with the Saudis. It was Saudis that attacked us on 9/11, and Saudis were responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Iraq.


    I'm assuming that you are talking about the disarmament bit of the NPT. We probably would if it wasn't for all the other countries having them, including the ones that have not signed the NPT. And it would be stupid in the extreme to get rid of nukes when other countries have them.
    Yeah, the disarmament "bit" as you call it. Why should Iran and others comply with the treaty if the US and the other major powers don't comply with it. Its just a worthless document unless we honor it.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm not worried in the least about Iran getting a nuclear weapon. Because they know that if they ever used one they would be a smudge spot in the middle east. They have never attacked us or Israel in the past for the same reason.


    If you want to provide incentive for Iran to cool it with the nukes, the US and the other original members of the Security Council should live up to their end of the treaty.
    So you openly admit it is our nuclear weapons, military, and clout in region that prevents an iranian attack, but in the next sentence say we should disarm our weapons. Earlier you were saying we should remove are bases etc. You don't see a contradiction in that argument or were you conveniently ignoring my point? Admit the "Iran only wants them for self defense" argument is BS that you conveniently have come up with and have not thought critically about it enough to apply it to the situation at hand.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    So you openly admit it is our nuclear weapons, military, and clout in region that prevents an iranian attack, but in the next sentence say we should disarm our weapons. Earlier you were saying we should remove are bases etc. You don't see a contradiction in that argument or were you conveniently ignoring my point? Admit the "Iran only wants them for self defense" argument is BS that you conveniently have come up with and have not thought critically about it enough to apply it to the situation at hand.
    Not at all. We didn't need nuclear weapons to kill 600,00 people in Vietnam, we didn't need nuclear weapons to bomb Iraq back a century in 1991. We could cut our military spending in half and still Iran would only have a tiny fraction of what we have in the way military power.

    As David Stockman pointed out yesterday, Iran is not the Axis of Evil, they are the Axis of Midevil. That's how far behind us they are. You apparently have little knowledge of our military capabilities.
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