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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..


    You quoted from another forum which has relied upon a computer scientist to gather this information as such this is unreliable. This has not been peer reviewed and is not a recognized source. More to the point it does not detract from Iran's military position.



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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Striking Iran would be an act of war. What else have you got in mind?
    Its only an act of war if it can be traced back to the US. Subterfuge is what is needed.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You quoted from another forum which has relied upon a computer scientist to gather this information as such this is unreliable. This has not been peer reviewed and is not a recognized source. More to the point it does not detract from Iran's military position.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Its only an act of war if it can be traced back to the US. Subterfuge is what is needed.

    Its still an act of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its still an act of war.
    Only if they find out who did what. Besides, subterfuge doesn't have to mean a strike where something/someone is hurt.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Only if they find out who did what. Besides, subterfuge doesn't have to mean a strike where something/someone is hurt.
    So you are recommending we do, what you are scared Iran might do?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..


    Another unreliable source!

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Neither our military nor NATO has made a determination that Iran is a military threat to to the US, so let's not jump the gun in our level of concern.
    Certainly, the US has nothing to fear from Iran's conventional military. We could swat their entire air force aside within days. And even if they acquired say, 10 nuclear weapons, it would be nothing compared to our thousands. The US would again have the advantage. In fact in any conflict with Iran of any kind the US would win hands down.

    But if Iran obtains nukes and actually uses them, would winning that conflict really be that much of a win? If Washington D.C. and Manhattan go up in nuclear flames and then we go pound the snot out of Iran, would you still count that as a win? I would call it a loss. Would you be satisfied with the deaths of Manhattan's 1.5 million souls or Tel-Aviv's 500,000?, knowing that we could still claim vengeance? Would that be enough? Acceptable? It wouldn't be for me. I'm not willing to take that risk. I'd just as soon see no one killed, including Iranians.

    The release of even one nuclear weapon is catastrophic. The war is already lost by the time that happens. I would prefer winning in advance by not allowing a weapon like that in the hands of religious fanatics in the first place. I would like to do this without combat of any kind, but accept that the collective megalomania of Iran's leadership may make this impossible.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Certainly, the US has nothing to fear from Iran's conventional military. We could swat their entire air force aside within days. And even if they acquired say, 10 nuclear weapons, it would be nothing compared to our thousands. The US would again have the advantage. In fact in any conflict with Iran of any kind the US would win hands down.
    Agreed.

    But if Iran obtains nukes and actually uses them, would winning that conflict really be that much of a win? If Washington D.C. and Manhattan go up in nuclear flames and then we go pound the snot out of Iran, would you still count that as a win? I would call it a loss. Would you be satisfied with the deaths of Manhattan's 1.5 million souls or Tel-Aviv's 500,000?, knowing that we could still claim vengeance? Would that be enough? Acceptable? It wouldn't be for me. I'm not willing to take that risk. I'd just as soon see no one killed, including Iranians.

    The release of even one nuclear weapon is catastrophic. The war is already lost by the time that happens. I would prefer winning in advance by not allowing a weapon like that in the hands of religious fanatics in the first place. I would like to do this without combat of any kind, but accept that the collective megalomania of Iran's leadership may make this impossible.
    Iran has never attacked the US before because they know it would be suicidal, having 10 nukes does not change that equation.

    Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, made the point very well on GPS today:

    Brzezinski: 'We Don't Need to Go to War'

    "We don't need to go to war,” he said in an interview on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS, according to a transcript. “And we have to make that very clear to our Israeli friends. We're not going to go to war. They're not going to go to war by flying over our airspace over Iraq. We're not going to support them. If they do it, they will be on their own. The consequences will be theirs, because the price we'll all pay if they start a massive war, which the Iranians interpret as being done with our connivance, will be disastrous for us in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in the terms of oil, stability in the Middle East more generally."

    "Obama, he said, should tell Israel that "the Iranians would blame us for it. They'll take action against us. We'll be paying the price. This is not acceptable and we want you to know that. ... Most Israelis, we also have to remember, most Israelis don't support a war," he said. "The American Jewish community in the majority is not for it. ... So when the president speaks, he speaks with some degree of political credibility, not only here, but also among the Israelis."
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Another unreliable source!
    Only to the far right.
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