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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Hmm. That seems contrary to what deputy head of the Islamic republic's armed forces, Mohammad Hejazi says:

    Iran nuclear talks a failure, says IAEA | World news | guardian.co.uk

    It sounds like Iran plans to strike first and thus, is a threat.
    Hopefully, after our needless war on Iraq, we have learned our lesson about waging war based on empty threats.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the Palestinians recognize if they stand down they will be run over. only by exercising their military options can they cause israel to want to negotiate to return the land it took and upon which it is now building
    I wish to ask once again, are you justifying 'military action' by Hamas against Israel?

    And with those words (in bold), how could Catawba (or anyone) like the post?? I think it is quite obvious that Justabubba is claiming that only through violence can Palestinians bring Israel to the negotiating table.



    No one else sees a problem with that claim?!


    Also, he claims 'land-stealing' ("land it took") because he's outside the ME forum-section, where ML prohibits such.



    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Hopefully, after our needless war on Iraq, we have learned our lesson about waging war based on empty threats.
    You might think it is needless, since it doesn't give any money to government unions, but from the perspective of the people of Iraq it was absolutely necessary. Just ask the Kurds, Marsh Arabs or women. Now that Iraq is free, it will develop like an Asian Tiger and in 20 years people will be amazed that just recently it was a hellhole of government rape rooms, sentences of gang rape for women via the court system and genocidal dictatorship, which routinely threated regional peace.

    Iraq will go from warmongering genocidal dictatorship to free and developed. That's worthless?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Hmm. That seems contrary to what deputy head of the Islamic republic's armed forces, Mohammad Hejazi says:

    Iran nuclear talks a failure, says IAEA | World news | guardian.co.uk

    It sounds like Iran plans to strike first and thus, is a threat.
    Let's see.... from 1945ish until the late 1980's the US and the USSR pointed thousands of nuclear warheads at one another using this absurd policy of mutually assured destruction (MAD), which oddly worked. So now we are worried about one or two nuclear weapons (which it would be a stretch to say are actually pointed at us, but let's indulge) while we point thousands of warheads at Iran. Yeah, I am going to lose sleep at night over Iran having nuclear arms..... (Psst... there is a much, much bigger threat posed by all the loose nukes, but leave it to a certain group of Americans to be focused on the wrong things, just because it sounds good)

    As much as we would like to stop the spread of technology, it can not be stopped. What we need to stop is the hysteria around it. Iran will get nuclear arms. Live with it.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I wish to ask once again, are you justifying 'military action' by Hamas against Israel?

    And with those words (in bold), how could Catawba (or anyone) like the post?? I think it is quite obvious that Justabubba is claiming that only through violence can Palestinians bring Israel to the negotiating table.
    Let me see if I have this straight. Its okay for Israel or the US to attack Iran because they violated a treaty, but its not ok for the Palestinians to attack Israel for violating a treaty?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Hmm. That seems contrary to what deputy head of the Islamic republic's armed forces, Mohammad Hejazi says:

    Iran nuclear talks a failure, says IAEA | World news | guardian.co.uk

    It sounds like Iran plans to strike first and thus, is a threat.

    You are absolutely correct EagleAye... but just between us ... people are thick as bricks EagleAye.... it's useless trying to let them see reason!

    better let them live happily in ignorance...

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Interesting:

    "The building provocation by Washington has been cornering Tehran and Sajjadi has stated that a US-led attack on Iran would be like committing suicide. Sajjadi went on to say Iran would by no means attack first. According to Sajjadi, “Even if it (US) attacks, we have a list of counter actions.”

    So, the threat is, if the US attacks Iran, then they will fight back. Pretty much what I expected.

    You never seem to want a straight answer to your statement.

    Your statement: ...the relative lack of threat Iran poses to the...to the US.

    The response: Iranian ambassador to Moscow, Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi declared that Iran has the capabilities to carry out military strikes on US interests around the globe.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let me see if I have this straight. Its okay for Israel or the US to attack Iran because they violated a treaty, but its not ok for the Palestinians to attack Israel for violating a treaty?
    No. Iran violated a treaty that encourages distribution of knowledge about nuclear energy in return for permitting inspections (safeguards) and now refuses the inspections. So countries helped Iran get a nuclear reactor going and now Iran is flipping the bird at them. That's gratitude for you. The same agency conducting the safeguards has found evidence that the nuclear knowledge, given in trust, has jump-started a nuclear weapons program. A second possible treaty violation. All anyone is asking of Iran is to prove that this is wrong. Iran has made zero effort to do so.

    Meanwhile people are accusing the West of beating war drums and threatening war because the West says things like: "All options are on the table."

    The same people claim Iran is harmless and no threat to anyone when Iran says things like: "Israel is a cancerous tumor that must be cut and will be cut." Additionally, the head Iran's armed forces says, "[We will] not wait for enemies to take action against us." And Iranian ambassador to Moscow, Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi declared that Iran has the capabilities to carry out military strikes on US interests around the globe.

    But somehow, I am expected to believe that Iran intends no harm and it is only the West beating war drums. This is difficult to believe based on the statements from both sides. After trying to sell me on that one I suppose Iran supporters will try to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn, right?. And when it comes to actions, the USN on two occasions rescues Iranian sailors and returns them to Iran. A gesture of good faith and brotherhood. Certainly a peace offering. Iran's response: threaten the departing carrier group (that participated in a rescue) to never come back. That's gratitude for you (seems to be a theme with Iran).

    So if Iran wants to claim the have a legitimate need for a nuclear weapon, I would ask for two things: 1) Iran is trustworthy, so I can know they won't release weapons unnecessarily, and 2) Iran has a peaceful, purely defensive intent, so I know they will not use this weapon in a preemptive strike.

    Iran has proven none of these things. They have suggested they will use preemptive strikes, so now I must consider the nuke will be used this way. They have threatened to close the straights of Hormuz, threatened the US, Israel, Turkey, and Germany. I would sooner give nukes to Kuwait, Egypt, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, or Qatar. But no way would I let Iran have a nuke.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Guys, since this is obviously such an ominous international threat, why don't we just invade every country in the world, put an American soldier on every street corner, and stockpile all the nukes in the US?

    I find it wildly hypocritical for the US to shake their finger at anyone for having a nuke when we have more nukes than the rest of the world combined, and are the only ones who have used them on living beings. If we're so against nukes, maybe we should be making the first step towards our own disarmament. This has far more to do with asserting US dominance than it does with world peace. We're being war mongered.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You never seem to want a straight answer to your statement.

    Your statement: ...the relative lack of threat Iran poses to the...to the US.

    The response: Iranian ambassador to Moscow, Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi declared that Iran has the capabilities to carry out military strikes on US interests around the globe.
    That's almost as real a threat as the old man with a shotgun in Iraq that we went to war over.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    No. Iran violated a treaty that encourages distribution of knowledge about nuclear energy in return for permitting inspections (safeguards) and now refuses the inspections. So countries helped Iran get a nuclear reactor going and now Iran is flipping the bird at them. That's gratitude for you. The same agency conducting the safeguards has found evidence that the nuclear knowledge, given in trust, has jump-started a nuclear weapons program. A second possible treaty violation. All anyone is asking of Iran is to prove that this is wrong. Iran has made zero effort to do so.
    I fail to see that would be any different than Israel breaking their treaty.

    Meanwhile people are accusing the West of beating war drums and threatening war because the West says things like: "All options are on the table."

    The same people claim Iran is harmless and no threat to anyone when Iran says things like: "Israel is a cancerous tumor that must be cut and will be cut." Additionally, the head Iran's armed forces says, "[We will] not wait for enemies to take action against us." And Iranian ambassador to Moscow, Seyed Mahmoud-Reza Sajjadi declared that Iran has the capabilities to carry out military strikes on US interests around the globe.

    But somehow, I am expected to believe that Iran intends no harm and it is only the West beating war drums. This is difficult to believe based on the statements from both sides. After trying to sell me on that one I suppose Iran supporters will try to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn, right?. And when it comes to actions, the USN on two occasions rescues Iranian sailors and returns them to Iran. A gesture of good faith and brotherhood. Certainly a peace offering. Iran's response: threaten the departing carrier group (that participated in a rescue) to never come back. That's gratitude for you (seems to be a theme with Iran).

    So if Iran wants to claim the have a legitimate need for a nuclear weapon, I would ask for two things: 1) Iran is trustworthy, so I can know they won't release weapons unnecessarily, and 2) Iran has a peaceful, purely defensive intent, so I know they will not use this weapon in a preemptive strike.

    Iran has proven none of these things. They have suggested they will use preemptive strikes, so now I must consider the nuke will be used this way. They have threatened to close the straights of Hormuz, threatened the US, Israel, Turkey, and Germany. I would sooner give nukes to Kuwait, Egypt, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, or Qatar. But no way would I let Iran have a nuke.
    As far as I am aware the UN has not made the determination that Iran is in violation of the UN treaty. We appear to be jumping the gun here, just as we did with Iraq.
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