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PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

Bingo! And guess what. Pakistan is so thrilled with the way the U.S. has prosecuted its war on the Middle East that as of yesterday it declare that it would ally with Iran if Iran is attacked by the US, Israel and/or the UK. Now it gets really interesting.
russia and china might expect us to have second thoughts about attacking (or aiding israel's attack) against their trading partner

Besides the Iranians don't even have to start it. Don't rule out a false flag where a US vessel is attacked by "Iranians". Soon after that the fit will hit the shan.
this will likely get me tin foiled, but is it beyond the pale that an attack of the iranian facilities could be made with a nuclear device ... to give the appearance iran's efforts backfired
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And what exactly was/is the U.S. doing in Iraq to begin with?

Exactly, the US military was in Iraq, not Iran. The fight wasn't with the Iranians. Iran chose to enter the altercation.

Did you not notice Iran has been killing Americans in Afghanistan as well?

Beyond that, the U.S. cannot ever point a finger at any nation and accuse them of supplying weapons to another nation! We wrote the book on doing that, chapter, line and verse.

So? You're deflecting. The issue is that Iran is a threat to the USA because they have been killing US servicemen for years, not who is supplying whom with arms.
 
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Exactly, the US military was in Iraq, not Iran. The fight wasn't with the Iranians. Iran chose to enter the altercation.

Did you not notice Iran has been killing Americans in Afghanistan as well?



So? You're deflecting. The issue is that Iran is a threat to the USA because they have been killing US servicemen for years.

no, i did not know that
show us what proof you have which evidences iranian military action against our soldiers
 
russia and china might expect us to have second thoughts about attacking (or aiding israel's attack) against their trading partner


this will likely get me tin foiled, but is it beyond the pale that an attack of the iranian facilities could be made with a nuclear device ... to give the appearance iran's efforts backfired
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Save enough tin foil for me because I completely agree with you.
 
This really makes me mad. What does Iran have to do to satisfy the United States that it is abandoning its efforts to make nuclear weapons? What proof do we have that they are even trying? They are being put in a no-win scenerio. And, yes, it is Iraq all over again. WMDs that didn't exist. Nuclear bombs that don't exist. And even if they do exist, what business is it of ours?

Actually, the most recent IAEA report has pretty detailed information about Iran's nuclear program and its military portion of it. This includes its management structure, nuclear material acquisition, components for the nuclear device, detonator development, experiments, modeling, etc. They have deemed this evidence as credible. Furthermore, the IAEA has been pretty clear that Iran needs to fully cooperate with the agency and have Iran re implement its Additional Protocol (See NPT for details). Basically, Iran has been uncooperative with the agency, and there is now credible evidence the country is pursuing a nuclear weapon. It is our business because Iran is seen as a threat to one of our strongest allies, Israel.
 
no, i did not know that
show us what proof you have which evidences iranian military action against our soldiers

If you read the link first you can then construct an informed response.
 
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If you read the link first you can then construct an informed response.

ok
i had read it
and my informed response is you have nothing to prove that the iranian military is waging a campaign against American troops in afghanistan
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060217341 said:
Exactly, the US military was in Iraq, not Iran. The fight wasn't with the Iranians. Iran chose to enter the altercation.

Did you not notice Iran has been killing Americans in Afghanistan as well?



So? You're deflecting. The issue is that Iran is a threat to the USA because they have been killing US servicemen for years, not who is supplying whom with arms.

No, I am not deflecting. It would be damn near impossible for Iranians to kill American military in Iraq or Afghanistan if there was no American military presence in either of the two countries! Saudis killed 3,000 plus people on September 11 and you are advocating we attack Saudi Arabia as well? The Chinese send troops south during Vietnam to kill Americans. I missed the part where you advocated for attacking China.

Perhaps you should study the involvement of the United States in Iran. When you have completed your study tell me what you would expect the United States would do if the situation was reversed.
 
Actually, the most recent IAEA report has pretty detailed information about Iran's nuclear program and its military portion of it. This includes its management structure, nuclear material acquisition, components for the nuclear device, detonator development, experiments, modeling, etc. They have deemed this evidence as credible. Furthermore, the IAEA has been pretty clear that Iran needs to fully cooperate with the agency and have Iran re implement its Additional Protocol (See NPT for details). Basically, Iran has been uncooperative with the agency, and there is now credible evidence the country is pursuing a nuclear weapon. It is our business because Iran is seen as a threat to one of our strongest allies, Israel.

And what are we getting from our relationship with Israel? Tell me why it is worth the billions we have spent and the likelihood that Israel will draw us into what will probably be a very nasty war with Iran and beyond.
 
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If giving weapons to someone's enemies is a horrible atrocity, then consider us the worst people in the world. So they took a play out of our playbook, is it that big of a deal?
 
ah...you know, things like sovereignty, religion, governance, human life, natural resources...things like that. Or let me put it to you this way, we should not do anything to another nation that we would not ourselves tolerate. Simple as that.

Not sure what sovereignty has to do with culture; not sure what it is about their religion that deserves my respect; not sure what it is about their governance that deserves my respect; any respect I have for human life is not going to be reciprocated; and natural resources have nothing to do with culture either. So, I guess we agree then that there is nothing about their culture that is really deserving of any respect.
 
If Israel wants war let them fight. As long as they use the billions we give them to buy guns from us.
 
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Libya wasn't a threat to the USA.

Exactly. What business does Barack Obama have sending US troops to occupy Libya?
 
Not sure what sovereignty has to do with culture; not sure what it is about their religion that deserves my respect; not sure what it is about their governance that deserves my respect; any respect I have for human life is not going to be reciprocated; and natural resources have nothing to do with culture either. So, I guess we agree then that there is nothing about their culture that is really deserving of any respect.

I agree we should respect all cultures. And I disagree that the US has no other allies in ME from Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and Jordan enjoy positive relations with the US. The US has supplied all three with weapon systems, food, and humanitarian support for years. When Kuwait was under attack by Iraq, the US went in to repel the invaders. The US provided this from bases in Saudi bases (sounds like cooperation to me) where female military members were required to respect Saudi customs.

All this sounds like we have allies in the ME other than Israel, and that we have respected Muslim customs.
 
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Not sure what sovereignty has to do with culture; not sure what it is about their religion that deserves my respect; not sure what it is about their governance that deserves my respect; any respect I have for human life is not going to be reciprocated; and natural resources have nothing to do with culture either. So, I guess we agree then that there is nothing about their culture that is really deserving of any respect.

And anything we have done to Iran you would expect the US to accept in reverse?
 
I agree we should respect all cultures. And I disagree that the US has no other allies in ME from Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and Jordan enjoy positive relations with the US. The US has supplied all three with weapon systems, food, and humanitarian support for years. When Kuwait was under attack by Iraq, the US went in to repel the invaders. The US provided this from bases in Saudi bases (sounds like cooperation to me) where female military members were required to respect Saudi customs.

All this sounds like we have allies in the ME other than Israel, and that we have respected Muslim customs.

Actually.. we sell weapons to Saudi Arabia and they don't get any humanitarian support.. never have.

Re Gulf War 1.... US$36 billion of the US$60 billion cost was paid by Saudi Arabia
 
If giving weapons to someone's enemies is a horrible atrocity, then consider us the worst people in the world. So they took a play out of our playbook, is it that big of a deal?

Does a totalitarian regime really have the same moral standing and thus rights to do the same thing. If the US bombs the taliban, then they have the right to bomb the US?
 
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Does a totalitarian regime really have the same moral standing and thus rights to do the same thing. If the US bombs the taliban, then they have the right to bomb the US?

If you bomb someone expect them to try and bomb you back.
 
Does a totalitarian regime really have the same moral standing and thus rights to do the same thing. If the US bombs the taliban, then they have the right to bomb the US?
Uh... Yes? I tend to take the non-egocentric approach. I don't think that the US is the law, the moral standard, and the only opinon that matters. The world was not created by us, it does not spin around us, and our sh*t does in fact stink. The sole goal in life of the Taliban is to get the US out of Afghanistan. Yes, I probably would consider them somewhat morally justified if they were to actually bomb us back. I don't know why people think that we have some God-given right to attack other people, but how dare they attack us back.
 
ok
i had read it
and my informed response is you have nothing to prove that the iranian military is waging a campaign against American troops in afghanistan

Iran Killing American Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan - Jeffrey Goldberg - International - The Atlantic

Iran Killing American Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan
By Jeffrey Goldberg

Jul 6 2011, 8:43 AM ET

Just so we're absolutely clear about the nature of the Iranian regime, here are two reports about Iranian efforts to kill American soldiers. From The Wall Street Journal:

The Revolutionary Guard has smuggled rocket-assisted exploding projectiles to its militia allies in Iraq, weapons that have already resulted in the deaths of American troops, defense officials said. They said Iranians have also given long-range rockets to the Taliban in Afghanistan, increasing the insurgents' ability to hit U.S. and other coalition positions from a safer distance.

Such arms shipments would escalate the shadow competition for influence playing out between Tehran and Washington across the Middle East and North Africa, fueled by U.S. preparations to draw down forces from two wars and the political rebellions that are sweeping the region.

And from The Washington Post:

James F. Jeffrey, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, said Tuesday that fresh forensic testing on weapons used in the latest deadly attacks in the country bolsters assertions by U.S. officials that Iran is supporting Iraqi insurgents with new weapons and training.

"We're not talking about a smoking pistol. There is no doubt this is Iranian," Jeffrey said in an interview.
"We're seeing more lethal weapons, more accurate weapons, more longer-range weapons," Jeffrey added. "And we're seeing more sophisticated mobile and other deployment options, and we're seeing better-trained people."

What does this mean? It means that Iran is waging war against the United States of America. Or, to put it another way, it means that Iran doesn't seem particularly interested in entering into a dialogue with the Obama Administration at the moment. Unless, of course, this is just a cry for help.

Report: Iran smuggled weapons to Iraq, Afghanistan - Israel News, Ynetnews

The Iranian military smuggled new deadly munitions to its allies in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent months in order to accelerate the US withdrawals from these countries, The Wall Street Journal reported

Citing unnamed US officials, the newspaper said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has supplied its allies with rocket-assisted projectiles, which have already killed American troops.

The officials said Iranians had also given long-range rockets to the Taliban in Afghanistan, increasing the insurgents' ability to hit US and other coalition positions from a safer distance, the report said.

Iran smuggles weapons to Iraq, Afghanistan | Times of Ummah - News, Sports, Education, Business, Entertainment of Muslim Ummah

WASHINGTON — The Iranian military smuggled new deadly munitions to its allies in Iraq and Afghanistan in recent months in order to to accelerate the US withdrawals from these countries, The Wall Street Journal reported late Friday

Citing unnamed US officials, the newspaper said the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has supplied its allies with rocket-assisted exploding projectiles, which have already killed American troops.

Informed response?
 
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