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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because everything that has been tried, so far, has been unworkable. Maybe we should have taken a more common sense approach like...developing out own natural resources.

    Drilling bans just don't seem to be helping, in the big picture.
    Any way you look at it, as far as oil goes, such an approach is limited. Oil will eventually become untenable.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

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    Catawa: Peak Oil was a scam.. it was a political strategy to import more ME oil in the late 1950s and early 1960s..
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I agree. I don't understand why other sources of energy have not been developed yet.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you explain all the new oilfields that have been discovered over the past few years?


    Peak oil is when demand exceeds supply. We passed that point in 1971 in the US. There has not been a single year in the last 40 years when we have produced as much oil as we consume.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I agree. I don't understand why other sources of energy have not been developed yet.
    they are being developed as we post

    consider oil the benchmark price of energy
    if the developer of alternatives can generate alternative energy at a price better than the prevailing cost of oil, then that invisible hand motivates energy users to substitute the alternative energy source where possible
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Peak oil is when demand exceeds supply. We passed that point in 1971 in the US. There has not been a single year in the last 40 years when we have produced as much oil as we consume.
    Just to clarify, I believe you meant "peak oil production per capita," but you raise a good point.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Obama is in a much better position to decide if military force is needed in Iran. Good to see him trying sanctions first, but if he feels the need to go in he has my support.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Just to clarify, I believe you meant "peak oil production per capita," but you raise a good point.
    Not sure of the distinction, could you explain further?

    I have checked the stats and know there has not been a single year since 1971 that we have produced as much oil as we consume.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not sure of the distinction, could you explain further?

    I have checked the stats and know there has not been a single year since 1971 that we have produced as much oil as we consume.
    Peak oil simply means peak oil production, period, as in the point where oil producers have produced the greatest amount of oil it is possible to produce (within a given amount of time, say one year). We have not yet reached peak oil, but peak oil production per capita happened, as you said, back in 1971.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    they are being developed as we post

    consider oil the benchmark price of energy
    if the developer of alternatives can generate alternative energy at a price better than the prevailing cost of oil, then that invisible hand motivates energy users to substitute the alternative energy source where possible
    That is the point from my experience there have not been alternatives available where the consumer can utilize affordable alternative means of energy. I attempted to have solar panel installed and the break even was decades away from the time of installation.

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