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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    I think a lot of folks didn't read the article in OP. The US has made it clear that it does NOT wish to attack Iran. To review, here are some quotes from the article(my bold):

    The president has made clear in public, and in private to Israel, that he is determined to give sufficient time for recent measures [sanctions]
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    "The White House wants to see sanctions work. This is not the Bush White House. It does not need another conflict,"
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    ...but that for now the emphasis is firmly on diplomacy and sanctions
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    Scepticism about Iranian intent is rooted in Iran's repeated spurning of overtures from successive US presidents from Bill Clinton to Barack Obama, who appealed within weeks of coming to office for "constructive ties" and "mutual respect" .
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    The White House is working hard to keep alive the prospect that sanctions will deliver a diplomatic solution. It has pressed the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, to quieten the belligerent chatter from his own cabinet
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    Some US and European officials say those same sanctions have also become a means for Washington to pressure Israel not to act precipitously in attacking Iran.
    Not only is the US trying to avoid conflict with Iran. It is pressuring Israel to stay out of it.

    So for those who like to characterize the US as a vicious, slobbering monster, I ask that they take note that the US has taken steps to avoid war. The US would like Iran to invite the IAEA to conduct FULL inspections of their nuclear program. If there is no sign of a weapons program, the sanctions can be lifted, and people can stop constantly claiming the other side is beating war drums. It's all very simple and all very peaceful. Folks are making this all far more complicated that it is.

    Lastly, at no point has the US denied that Iran can have nuclear power. They can. It is their right. So long as their nuclear power program is strictly for civilian energy, there is no problem at all. All anyone is asking of Iran is to demonstrate that is the case. If Iran has purely peaceful intent, it would be incredibly easy for them to resolve this whole issue in mere weeks. Why is this so much to ask?
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Not sure what the parallel is between Occupy Wall Street and anything contained in my post, but I'd love to hear it.
    Rather than deal with the situation in diplomatic or other recognized and appropriate channels you support "attacking our interests is indeed a defense mechanism", that is as outlandish OWS demanding whatever it was they wanted with ridiculous and costly. I am concerned about tactics it would never work for any positive goal on any side.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I think a lot of folks didn't read the article in OP. The US has made it clear that it does NOT wish to attack Iran. To review, here are some quotes from the article(my bold):



    Not only is the US trying to avoid conflict with Iran. It is pressuring Israel to stay out of it.

    So for those who like to characterize the US as a vicious, slobbering monster, I ask that they take note that the US has taken steps to avoid war. The US would like Iran to invite the IAEA to conduct FULL inspections of their nuclear program. If there is no sign of a weapons program, the sanctions can be lifted, and people can stop constantly claiming the other side is beating war drums. It's all very simple and all very peaceful. Folks are making this all far more complicated that it is.

    Lastly, at no point has the US denied that Iran can have nuclear power. They can. It is their right. So long as their nuclear power program is strictly for civilian energy, there is no problem at all. All anyone is asking of Iran is to demonstrate that is the case. If Iran has purely peaceful intent, it would be incredibly easy for them to resolve this whole issue in mere weeks. Why is this so much to ask?


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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    This appears to be the next step with Congress making the move:

    Congress began crafting legislation that would essentially cut Iran out of the global clearinghouse for international financial transactions known as SWIFT, or the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication. The far-reaching step could inflict severe damage to Iran's economy by restricting the ability of banks and other institutions to move funds in or out of the country.
    Obama administration takes back seat on Iran sanctions - Los Angeles Times

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Rather than deal with the situation in diplomatic or other recognized and appropriate channels you support "attacking our interests is indeed a defense mechanism", that is as outlandish OWS demanding whatever it was they wanted with ridiculous and costly. I am concerned about tactics it would never work for any positive goal on any side.
    I'm not "supporting" Iran attacking our interests, I'm simply stating that it is indeed a defense mechanism, an act born out of desperation in reaction to the heavy sanctions levied by the US against their economy, when you attempt to hamper a country's way of life and endanger it's people, especially one such as Iran, they are prone to act irrationally by lashing out at the aggressors. The comparison between Occupy Wall Street and the Iranian situation at hand is ludicrous and far fetched.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I'm not "supporting" Iran attacking our interests, I'm simply stating that it is indeed a defense mechanism, an act born out of desperation in reaction to the heavy sanctions levied by the US against their economy, when you attempt to hamper a country's way of life and endanger it's people, especially one such as Iran, they are prone to act irrationally by lashing out at the aggressors.
    It is not a defense mechanism. This country wants to be a part of the world community "on their terms". That is very unlikely. This "defense mechanism" is a threat, no one is attacking them. This is no more complex than getting along in any community. All parties must follow the rules or face unpleasant results, in this case it is economic sanctions.


    The comparison between Occupy Wall Street and the Iranian situation at hand is ludicrous and far fetched.
    This is a matter of opinion and outside the OP so I apologize for even mentioning it.

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    This appears to be the next step with Congress making the move:

    Obama administration takes back seat on Iran sanctions - Los Angeles Times
    While Congress is saying, paraphrased, "Now that we know our sanctions are having an effect, it's time to pile them on," I wonder.

    Higher fuel prices...military action in Iran...both of these things could impact Obama's chances for re-election. Maybe I'm just too suspicious, but something about this whole scenerio doesn't make sense.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    While Congress is saying, paraphrased, "Now that we know our sanctions are having an effect, it's time to pile them on," I wonder.

    Higher fuel prices...military action in Iran...both of these things could impact Obama's chances for re-election. Maybe I'm just too suspicious, but something about this whole scenerio doesn't make sense.
    So you want to sit around and do nothing while the Iranian Army makes plans to attack America?

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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    So you want to sit around and do nothing while the Iranian Army makes plans to attack America?
    OMG. Now Iran has plans to attack America? I don't even know how to answer your post. Try again.
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    Re: PAPER: Military action against Iran 'likely'..

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Until that day we should do what is necessary to assure that we have the oil that we need without depending on oil from the middle east. Things like approving the Keystone pipeline from Canada, allowing offshore drilling and developing our own crude oil sources. This will not happen till we the people replace the anti oil anti business jack wagon that currently occupies the white house.
    currently? you want pro oil presidents? like GWB?
    If we had listened to President Carter, we might be able to exist without ME oil by now......
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