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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    True, but, then again, people actually have practical reasons to drive a car.
    Like what?

    What can a car do that public transportation can't?

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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Like what?

    What can a car do that public transportation can't?
    Well, when you don't live in a metropolitan area, get you where you need to go in less than 6 hours.

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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    True, but, then again, people actually have practical reasons to drive a car.

    My point went straight over your head didn't it? My point was that it is absurd to believe that abstinence is a practical policy instead of contraceptives in today's time.

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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Pull Out Method - Withdrawal Method

    and the woman relies 100% on the man using this form of birth control
    how effective is that when you have young teens learning about sex
    And men rely on women to take their pill too, so? Young teens, how young are we talking about here, and doesn't that really come under the umbrella of effective parenting? By the way, I'd like to see that study by planned parenthood. Do they mean every 100 times having sex or 4 out of 100 over the course of the sexual relationship? I think kids should use condoms; I believe that is reasonable but I'm not going to force it on anyone, or mandate that insurance companies pay for it. My God people, how far do you want government in your lives?


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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    My God people, how far do you want government in your lives?


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    A while back, some liberals told me they argue so hard for government intervention because there are conservatives arguing against it.

    Basically, they're banking on conservatives holding them back from taking things too far. It's just like how your wife banks on you pulling out.

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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    And men rely on women to take their pill too, so?
    so, the women live with the consequences of their deceit if they failed to after assuring their partner

    Young teens, how young are we talking about here,
    what does it matter. if they are older teens, would it make any difference

    ... and doesn't that really come under the umbrella of effective parenting?
    you got me. no way have any young, unwed daughters of good parents gotten pregnant

    By the way, I'd like to see that study by planned parenthood. Do they mean every 100 times having sex or 4 out of 100 over the course of the sexual relationship?
    let us know what you find

    I think kids should use condoms; I believe that is reasonable but I'm not going to force it on anyone, or mandate that insurance companies pay for it.
    yes, it would be much cheaper for the public to incur the subsequent medical costs of the baby, and the ensuing welfare benefits emanating from the birth of an unplanned child

    My God people, how far do you want government in your lives? Tim-
    to the point that more good than harm is the result
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    My point went straight over your head didn't it? My point was that it is absurd to believe that abstinence is a practical policy instead of contraceptives in today's time.
    Why? How are the two methods dissimilar? You still have to instill the value of either method into the little brains of the kiddies, no? Just coz the school or whatever pushes condoms doesn't mean kids will use them.

    Liberal position:

    1. Don't want kids having sex.
    2. If they do I don't want them getting pregnant.
    3. Kids are going to have sex regardless of what Mom and Dad think.
    4. Push condom use or birth control pills.

    Religious Conservative position:

    1. I don't want my kids having sex.
    2. If they do I don't want them getting pregnant.
    3. Kids are going to have sex regardless of what Mom and Dad think.
    4. Teach your children how to safely prevent pregnancy without the use of contraceptives.

    Both goals are to prevent pregnancy. Why in all of God's creation do we need government to mandate how we decide to push our moral views towards sex upon our children? Given the above, can someone explain to me how the Obama administration believes this is within its power to legislate?


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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, the women live with the consequences of their deceit if they failed to after assuring their partner


    what does it matter. if they are older teens, would it make any difference


    you got me. no way have any young, unwed daughters of good parents gotten pregnant


    let us know what you find


    yes, it would be much cheaper for the public to incur the subsequent medical costs of the baby, and the ensuing welfare benefits emanating from the birth of an unplanned child


    to the point that more good than harm is the result
    So many assumptions, and conclusory statements that I couldn't even begin to answer them?? It sounds to me that you would prefer that ONLY demographics that are unable to support an unplanned pregnancy would benefit from such a mandate? How very Sanger of you. She too believed like Darwin in Eugenics..


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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So many assumptions, and conclusory statements that I couldn't even begin to answer them?? It sounds to me that you would prefer that ONLY demographics that are unable to support an unplanned pregnancy would benefit from such a mandate? How very Sanger of you. She too believed like Darwin in Eugenics..


    Tim-
    why would we spend our efforts determining how to supplant the efforts of those with the means and understanding, those who can address the issue themselves
    a thimble possesses more depth than your position
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Foster Friess: In my day women used Bayer aspirin for contraception.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Both goals are to prevent pregnancy. Why in all of God's creation do we need government to mandate how we decide to push our moral views towards sex upon our children? Given the above, can someone explain to me how the Obama administration believes this is within its power to legislate?


    Tim-
    You're talking two different issues. I don't think we should have the health care bill the way it is and therefore the contraceptive bill would be a moot point for me because it wouldn't exist.

    On the issue of pregnacy, teens and young adults WILL have sex. Pandora's box has already been opened on that one, so it IS better to arm our kids with the knowledge and tools of contraceptions rather than just telling them "don't have sex".

    In cases where only absitnence was taught, there were higher numbers of pregnancies and STDS. How do you account for that?

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