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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

We disagree, and that's fine. I believe the Bible is the basis for right and wrong because God says it is. I believe this is one of those arguments you and I could both waste days posting back and forth about or just agree to disagree. I would rather do the latter. You?

But when you try to make laws based on those beliefs and **** with people's lives you can't really just agree to disagree.
 
"Marriage" is an act between a man and a woman. To argue this is not to support a point for homosexuals rather to tear down the status quo. Why does the gay community insist on a single word? Why do they insist on being the same when their entire cause is circles around being different???!!! Why not abolish all words associated with homosexuality? Then there would be no difference, would there?
 
But when you try to make laws based on those beliefs and **** with people's lives you can't really just agree to disagree.

Never tried to **** with anyone's life. I didn't tell them to be gay, they chose to. Being gay equals no chance of creating a life.
 
Never tried to **** with anyone's life. I didn't tell them to be gay, they chose to. Being gay equals no chance of creating a life.

When you push for, and support laws that deny me the right to marry the one I love, and obstruct my ability to start a family your ****ing with my life. And I did not choose to be gay, I live in the south and have a pretty religious family, if I could have chosen to be straight I would have. It would have been a hell of a lot easier for me, but alas I can't. I can only be who I am, who I was born as, and deciding to be happy with that was the best decision I've ever made.
 
When you push for, and support laws that deny me the right to marry the one I love, and obstruct my ability to start a family your ****ing with my life. And I did not choose to be gay, I live in the south and have a pretty religious family, if I could have chosen to be straight I would have. It would have been a hell of a lot easier for me, but alas I can't. I can only be who I am, who I was born as, and deciding to be happy with that was the best decision I've ever made.

If you look back, this whole string started with me saying I have no problem with 2 gay people getting married. Its not my place to judge them.
By your assumption then, someone with an addictive personality (like me) should just give in and abuse drugs all they want, right? The sad thing is, you say you grew up in a religious family so you know its wrong. I won't speak down to you or judge you, so I'll stop there. I'm not here to belittle anyone.
 
If you look back, this whole string started with me saying I have no problem with 2 gay people getting married. Its not my place to judge them.
By your assumption then, someone with an addictive personality (like me) should just give in and abuse drugs all they want, right? The sad thing is, you say you grew up in a religious family so you know its wrong. I won't speak down to you or judge you, so I'll stop there. I'm not here to belittle anyone.

First off homosexuality is not a disorder. and no ill effects come from it, so your comparison to drug addiction doesn't bark. Secondly I'm just saying that if you support laws that deny LGBT people the same treatment under the law as you, then you do effect them, and it's not a agree to disagree type thing unless you support equal legal rights for LGBT people.

Also, I spent too much time condemning myself for something I have no control over, and let me tell you that's no way to live. Also I don't believe it's wrong, on a logical level, or a religious level, there's just not enough substantial evidence that homosexuality as we know it today is wrong. The Bible talks so little about it, and after so many translations, and committees of people deciding what should be in the Bible and changing it for political reasons, and thousands of years societal change and the context of which our minds think vs the context of which their minds think it's just not reasonable to me to condemn it based on what is there.
 
Yes, I did read your post. Let me spell it out for you.

Making abortion illegal would likely make abortion more common.

That is my argument. Countries that don't allow abortion also tend to make it difficult to obtain contraception. The result is that abortions are actually increased.

Making it illegal is a bad idea if you want to decrease the number abortions that occur.

Wrong as usual. there are many more abortions to then there was prior to Roe V Wade........
 
First off homosexuality is not a disorder. and no ill effects come from it, so your comparison to drug addiction doesn't bark. Secondly I'm just saying that if you support laws that deny LGBT people the same treatment under the law as you, then you do effect them, and it's not a agree to disagree type thing unless you support equal legal rights for LGBT people.

Also, I spent too much time condemning myself for something I have no control over, and let me tell you that's no way to live. Also I don't believe it's wrong, on a logical level, or a religious level, there's just not enough substantial evidence that homosexuality as we know it today is wrong. The Bible talks so little about it, and after so many translations, and committees of people deciding what should be in the Bible and changing it for political reasons, and thousands of years societal change and the context of which our minds think vs the context of which their minds think it's just not reasonable to me to condemn it based on what is there.


hose puckey, you ever hear of AIDS????
 
First off homosexuality is not a disorder. and no ill effects come from it, so your comparison to drug addiction doesn't bark.
Never said it was like drug addiction. Its like having an addictive personality, which I have. Thats the comparison I'm making. BTW, thank you for not getting offended and turning this into a personal thing, because its not.
 
hose puckey, you ever hear of AIDS????

:lol: I'm gay, and I don't have AIDS, and plenty of straight people have AIDS. Actually, lesbians are at the lowest risk of getting AIDS out of any demographic, so there goes your assertion.

Just in case you still don't get it, AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease, not a "gay disease"
 
Never said it was like drug addiction. Its like having an addictive personality, which I have. Thats the comparison I'm making. BTW, thank you for not getting offended and turning this into a personal thing, because its not.

And I'm saying there is no negatives to accepting that one is homosexual, and in fact your quality of life is better once you do accept yourself. Unlike giving in to something like your addictive personality.

And no problem, you may be wrong about this but your probably a halfway decent dude :2razz:
 
And I'm saying there is no negatives to accepting that one is homosexual, and in fact your quality of life is better once you do accept yourself. Unlike giving in to something like your addictive personality.

And no problem, you may be wrong about this but your probably a halfway decent dude :2razz:

Again, I won't be judgemental. I'll keep my opinions of the negatives of your lifestyle to myself. I hate when people judge me, I won't do it to you.
Probably a halfway decent dude? Thats a very non-commital compliment lol.
 
Again, I won't be judgemental. I'll keep my opinions of the negatives of your lifestyle to myself. I hate when people judge me, I won't do it to you.
Probably a halfway decent dude? Thats a very non-commital compliment lol.

To nitpick, it's not my "lifestyle" it's just who I'm attracted to, romantically and sexually, I'm just a normal 20 something who's in college and is obsessed with music,video games, and alcohol, that's my lifestyle :mrgreen:

And hey, your new your lucky to get that ;)
 
"Marriage" is an act between a man and a woman. To argue this is not to support a point for homosexuals rather to tear down the status quo. Why does the gay community insist on a single word? Why do they insist on being the same when their entire cause is circles around being different???!!! Why not abolish all words associated with homosexuality? Then there would be no difference, would there?

Because creating a separate institution isnt equality under the law.
 
:lol: I'm gay, and I don't have AIDS, and plenty of straight people have AIDS. Actually, lesbians are at the lowest risk of getting AIDS out of any demographic, so there goes your assertion.

Just in case you still don't get it, AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease, not a "gay disease"

AIDS started in the country in the Gay community and crossed over into the straight community by bisexuals........Gays are still the most prone to get AIDS though because of their lifestyle.
 
AIDs affects everyone gay or straight.

A straight man participating in straight sex (Vagina to Penis) using protection is very unlikely to catch AIDS....It is much more prevalent in the gay community where anal sex is the most popular.
 
Why? Marriage is made up by society anyway, why shouldn't society be able to change it?

I agree ;) And because society makes up marriage they also have the right to define or change it.
 
AIDS started in the country in the Gay community and crossed over into the straight community by bisexuals........Gays are still the most prone to get AIDS though because of their lifestyle.

AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease, and does not care if you are homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual. And like I said, lesbians are least likely to get AIDS out of any demographic so your assertion that you are more likely to get AIDS because you are gay is completely false.
 
A straight man participating in straight sex (Vagina to Penis) using protection is very unlikely to catch AIDS....It is much more prevalent in the gay community where anal sex is the most popular.

I prefer oral myself, but I'm open to the use of strap-ons ;)
 
A straight man participating in straight sex (Vagina to Penis) using protection is very unlikely to catch AIDS....It is much more prevalent in the gay community where anal sex is the most popular.

Its only prevalent if you engage in high risk behaviors. If you are careful about who you sleep with and use protection you will most likely not get AIDS.
 
I agree ;) And because society makes up marriage they also have the right to define or change it.

As long as their definition doesnt discriminate against a group of people for no logical reason then yes.
 
The needle on my meter on this issue usually hangs out around don't give a crap or lower. Sometimes it goes up with a question like now;

What if no one had the piece of paper saying they were married or if a government didn't recognize any marriage, what changes between the couples that are or want to get married?
 
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As long as their definition doesnt discriminate against a group of people for no logical reason then yes.

Logical according to who?
 
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