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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    This is a textbook softball.

    Marriage recognized by the federal government has a large cost associated.

    So you are correct, gay marriage has no effect on the population. Thanks you just helped my case.

    Because although it does nothing to aid in the interests of increasing the population, programs like SS allowing same sex people to cover their spouses creates a larger burden on these programs.

    So as you just admitted, it doesn’t help with population increases, but it does create a higher cost for various programs.
    Actually, a bigger benefit of marriage than procreation could ever be (especially since the parents are allowed to divorce or separate whenever they want) is that marriage means that more people are in stable relationships. Stable relationships mean more revenue and more responsible citizens. The sex of the two who are married would make no significant difference at all in these benefits. And, the government has someone who they can require to pay (if the person is financially able at all) for end of life arrangements for an adult. This is particularly important if the adult who has passed had no blood relations or was estranged from his/her blood relations.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Our debt alone dictates that our interests are to grow the population, not to mention how programs like SS require that we grow in size
    You do realize that same sex couples can help grow the population too, right? It's called surrogacy. A female same sex couple can use donated sperm to get pregnant and the two women raise the child. A male same sex couple can use one of the two's sperm to impregnate a surrogate mother (with her egg or a donated egg) and they get to raise the baby once he/she is born. Voila, population goes up.

    Of course you still have yet to prove that the state really is concerned about population growth from married relationships since they allow other couples who cannot have children to marry. In fact, there is very little doubt that a woman beyond the age of 70 cannot have children without a lot of help.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    His downfall meaning that the GOP is embarrassed by him and he rarely shows his face or endorses people. You really know better than that.
    Well I am not the GOP but and Independent and I think GWB did a hell of a job when you consider the attack on 9/11 and the biggest natural disaster tin the history of this country in Katrina...
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The federal government did a study within the last 10 years that predicted that legalized same sex marriage would likely benefit the national coffers by a small amount of money.
    I don't know how anyone can say considering all the benefits the gov would have to SSM. and if other classes of people were allowed to marry to the cost would be out of sight
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't know how anyone can say considering all the benefits the gov would have to SSM. and if other classes of people were allowed to marry to the cost would be out of sight
    The budgeting office did the study, not me.

    Besides, as someone else pointed out, there are many times when marriage is worse for two people than if they filed as two singles.

    Plus, the government benefits in that someone else is agreeing to take some responsibility for another adult. It is like when my mother's best friend married a guy who was paralyzed from the neck down. He was living in a nursing home completely on the tax-payer's dollar because he was divorced from his first wife and had no family willing to pay for him. When they got married, now she agreed to take care of him, including financially. This means that he is no longer being taken care of on the tax-payer's dime and there is someone providing care for him.

    Married people must list both of their incomes when applying for government financial aide, while single people only need to declare their own income.

    When a single person dies who has no blood relatives willing or able to pay for the person's final arrangements, the government foots the bill. When a married person dies, the spouse must take responsibility for the person's final arrangements, including cost unless they can prove financial hardship in doing so.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well I am not the GOP but and Independent and I think GWB did a hell of a job when you consider the attack on 9/11 and the biggest natural disaster tin the history of this country in Katrina...
    Only people like yourself Navy....would see a "hell of a job" in probably the worst response this country has ever had to a natural disaster and after 9/11 occurred on his watch...he didn't go after those who attacked us and left the mess to the next guy. Wow.....
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    I wonder why liberals aren't out fighting for women's rights to serve in military combat roles, such as Navy SEALS. Instead treating this gay agenda like it has any relevance outside of maybe 5% of our population.

    A few days ago I read a ridiculous article on a "libertarian" (or liberal-tarian more likely) website Reason.com that seriously thought people in other states would be celebrating this - as if, lol. Gay marriage is 1% about actual rights and 99% about liberal self-righteousness.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    I wonder why liberals aren't out fighting for women's rights to serve in military combat roles, such as Navy SEALS. Instead treating this gay agenda like it has any relevance outside of maybe 5% of our population.

    A few days ago I read a ridiculous article on a "libertarian" (or liberal-tarian more likely) website Reason.com that seriously thought people in other states would be celebrating this - as if, lol. Gay marriage is 1% about actual rights and 99% about liberal self-righteousness.
    Of course your right. Welcome to DP my friend. We can always use another real Conservative and a voice of reason to bring some sanity to this place. Hope to see a lot of posts from you.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAMRAAM View Post
    I wonder why liberals aren't out fighting for women's rights to serve in military combat roles, such as Navy SEALS. Instead treating this gay agenda like it has any relevance outside of maybe 5% of our population.

    A few days ago I read a ridiculous article on a "libertarian" (or liberal-tarian more likely) website Reason.com that seriously thought people in other states would be celebrating this - as if, lol. Gay marriage is 1% about actual rights and 99% about liberal self-righteousness.
    What's the military? About 1% of the population? Just sayin'....

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What's the military? About 1% of the population? Just sayin'....
    Well women are about 50% of the population, so I think that if anything, liberals should be pushing for women's rights to serve in special forces roles before they push for gay rights.

    The "gay marriage" issue in itself isn't the biggest problem so much as the left's motive for pushing. These militant gay activists seem like they're motivated more just by an anti-cultural sentiment than actual rights, they just perceive the institution of marriage as part of America's tradition, and because to them America is so bad - anything that's traditionally American needs to be changed. But this is really more or less a non-issue, it shouldn't be getting nationwide attention - even most openly gay couples more or less live normally without it, the whole purpose in pushing it is just for ego as much as anything else.
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