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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Ever heard of Stephan Hawking? Guy was diagnosed with Lou Gehrigs disease when he was 21 and told he had 2-3 years to live but hes 70 years old now and contributed greatly to the scientific community in that time.
    I've also heard of people that amazingly recover from cancer with no treatment, but that doesn't mean it's logical to not treat cancer because of isolated cases to the contrary.

    but hey, liberal logic

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    there is nothing inherently non-consevative (in relation to its meaning in a US Political sense) about seeking a constitutional amendment banning states from allowing gay marriage or opposing laws that expand the definition of it on a federal level. Neither stance violates the notion of a constitutionally limited federal government.
    No, but it violates the very concept of a free country. The idea that you should have to prove a need to be allowed to do something private before the government grants you a right to do it, as opposed to the idea that you're free to do whatever the hell you want to do, unless the government can prove that it has a need to stop you, is the antithesis of a free society.

    The idea of a "constitutionally limited federal government" is nice, but to what end? We could write fascism, communism, or anything else into the Constitution through amendments, and then have a "constitutionally limited federal government", but not a free country. An empty framework may be nice, but not that nice. If the objective is individual freedom, then simply following the framework isn't meaningful, without considering what you're putting into it.

    Banning gay marriage is inherently un-American.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post
    The idea of a "constitutionally limited federal government" is nice, but to what end?
    the end is up to the point where the lower states are unable to perform the same function.

    defense is the greatest example.

    today, the only reason things like healthcare can't be handled by the states is because it has too be paid for. If you pass the buck to the federal government, you can just make future generations pay for it

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    If the person getting financial aid has a known terminal disease, explain the logic behind giving him money to earn an advanced degree.
    See, the issues are different because one involves a lack of limitation based on the person's potential future, while the other involve an actual limitation based on a specific characteristic that is held to a high standard of scrutiny under the EP clause of the 14th Amendment, sex. The SCOTUS has already ruled that any limitation to a government program or done by the government based on sex has to have an important state interest and the limitation must be directly related to that state interest. This means that when it comes to limitations based on sex, such as with same sex marriage, the government is required to be logical in its application of such limitation and why it is in place.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Yeah me to, If they rule in the favor of gay marriage I won't like it but I will accept it. How about you if they rule against gay marriage will you accept the ruling and stop this nonsense?
    No, because I will believe they are wrong and know that it will come across their court again in the future, just as segregation and miscegenation laws had to be ruled on several times before they got it right.

    The difference is that once equality is given, there is little argument to change it back because no one's rights are being infringed upon when same sex marriage is legal. Right now, and until same sex marriage is legal across the country, same sex couples are being discriminated against due to their sex.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I've also heard of people that amazingly recover from cancer with no treatment, but that doesn't mean it's logical to not treat cancer because of isolated cases to the contrary.

    but hey, liberal logic
    Thats a completely different situation and in no way relates to giving people education benefits for getting good grades.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    good thing for you this is true!
    No, it's a good thing that I get to point this out about your posts.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Well speaking for me I hope gay marriage is outlawed so we won't have to worry about it.
    And speaking for me, I hope that it is completely legalized so we don't have to worry about it.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I've also heard of people that amazingly recover from cancer with no treatment, but that doesn't mean it's logical to not treat cancer because of isolated cases to the contrary.

    but hey, liberal logic
    Actually, what he's saying is that your "exception proves the rule" position is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, what he's saying is that your "exception proves the rule" position is irrelevant.
    then he is not grasping my position at all

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