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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    sorry my left wing friend to most people seeing 2 men kiss is disgusting....Men and women are the norm.
    I'm not a fan of PDA in the first place....but my views on public displays of affection aren't what dictates laws. I was also just interested in your use of "flaunting"
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    sorry my left wing friend to most people seeing 2 men kiss is disgusting....Men and women are the norm.
    so...look...away?
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Maybe the logic escapes you.

    If individuals of a government want to give perks to people that get good grades, nobody complains. Where has it been proven that getting good grades is in the best interest of the state? Do we need proof?

    Yet if the same residents try to give perks to the type of stable union that can physically produce kids, we are told that is not allowed.
    The hell does this have to do with anything? What "perks" exactly do people with good grades get from the government? What "perks" are being denied to "stable unions that physically produce kids"? And the hell does any of this have to do with not legalizing SSM?
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The hell does this have to do with anything? What "perks" exactly do people with good grades get from the government? What "perks" are being denied to "stable unions that physically produce kids"? And the hell does any of this have to do with not legalizing SSM?
    Absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not a fan of PDA in the first place....but my views on public displays of affection aren't what dictates laws. I was also just interested in your use of "flaunting"
    Depends on the hotness of the couple.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The hell does this have to do with anything? What "perks" exactly do people with good grades get from the government?
    Government provides financial aid to people with good grades. Some people are born in such a way that they can’t really qualify for this perk. My original reply was extremely straight forward, anybody that cared to try to understand what was being said would not have difficulty doing so

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not a fan of PDA in the first place....but my views on public displays of affection aren't what dictates laws. I was also just interested in your use of "flaunting"
    Watching fat, ugly people make out is disgusting. Maybe the government should prevent fat, ugly people from marrying, too? They can start by invalidating Christie's marriage.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Government provides financial aid to people with good grades. Some people are born in such a way that they can’t really qualify for this perk. My original reply was extremely straight forward, anybody that cared to try to understand what was being said would not have difficulty doing so
    Your original reply was not an argument for why gays should not get married
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Your original reply was not an argument for why gays should not get married

    If you follow the entire exchange, one dolt on his high horse claimed that nobody could logically explain why we don’t allow SSM.

    I pointed out that nobody is requiring a logical explanation for any of the perks we grant.

    We give education perks to people with good grades, but I fail to see the logical benefit of giving educational assistance to elderly people.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is so right.........a child could marry his mother a son could marry his dad strictly paternal... do you have any idea the problems that would make?
    Please save me the slippery slope fallacies.

    There are good reasons besides tradition or religious arguments behind not allowing close blood relatives from marrying, not the least of which being that they already have many of the rights/benefits that come from legal marriage since they already are legally kin to one another. And the only thing legal marriage does for every couple is create legal kinship. It would be stupid to allow people who already have legal kinship to get married.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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