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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    That is so right.........a child could marry his mother a son could marry his dad strictly paternal... do you have any idea the problems that would make?
    To be honest, it's kind of hard to take marriage seriously nowadays anyway. People can go to a Las Vegas drive thru and get married. There are reality shows based on the premise. Why does marriage suddenly become this holy sacred act when two consenting males or females want to tie the knot?

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Whatever, its a free country.

    I guess it is if one is heterosexual in your view.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Just out of curiosity, because I don't know the Bible that well...(and no, this isn't baiting). Does it state anywhere in the Bible that God established marriage between a man and a woman?
    Like you I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in it you will find something on marriage.............I have sure heard my priest talk enough from the pulpit about it, Oh and you haven't convinced him to recognize gay marriage either.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    giving Gays a special right
    That's the difference between Americans who value freedom and conservatives: The government doesn't "give" rights. Rights exist, and if the government wants to limit them, it needs to prove just cause. That's what a free country is. Sadly, people who want everything to be restricted unless the government "gives" the right to do it have gained way too much ground. In a free country, you're free to do as you please, unless someone can prove it causes them harm. That's what freedom is, and it's what conservatives are opposed to. They want it the other way, where you don't have the right to do anything unless you can prove a need to.

    This shouldn't even be a debate, at all, because no one has been able to demonstrate why people shouldn't be allowed to marry other people without reference to gender.

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    Like you I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in it you will find something on marriage
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I guess it is if one is heterosexual in your view.
    I should have added you have to obey the laws of the land...........
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BooRadley View Post
    That's the difference between Americans who value freedom and conservatives: The government doesn't "give" rights. Rights exist, and if the government wants to limit them, it needs to prove just cause. That's what a free country is. Sadly, people who want everything to be restricted unless the government "gives" the right to do it have gained way too much ground. In a free country, you're free to do as you please, unless someone can prove it causes them harm. That's what freedom is, and it's what conservatives are opposed to. They want it the other way, where you don't have the right to do anything unless you can prove a need to.


    This shouldn't even be a debate, at all, because no one has been able to demonstrate why people shouldn't be allowed to marry other people without reference to gender.
    Is that the same Americans or Progressives who burn our flags and our troop in effigy?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Is that the same Americans or Progressives who burn our flags and our troop in effigy?
    Completely off topic. You're dodging the point.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    To be honest, it's kind of hard to take marriage seriously nowadays anyway. People can go to a Las Vegas drive thru and get married. There are reality shows based on the premise. Why does marriage suddenly become this holy sacred act when two consenting males or females want to tie the knot?
    It always has been in the Catholic church. I don't believe it was a priest performing those marriage. The sacrament of Holy Matrimoney is very important to Catholics.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Like you I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in it you will find something on marriage.............I have sure heard my priest talk enough from the pulpit about it, Oh and you haven't convinced him to recognize gay marriage either.
    Well, it's interesting you bring that up, Navy. I fully support gay marriage. However, I don't feel any church should be forced to recognize or perform a gay marriage if they are against it. Religion shouldn't be forced into politics and politics shouldn't be forced into religion. So, I'm not going to try to convince any priest to recognize gay marriage.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Well, it's interesting you bring that up, Navy. I fully support gay marriage. However, I don't feel any church should be forced to recognize or perform a gay marriage if they are against it. Religion shouldn't be forced into politics and politics shouldn't be forced into religion. So, I'm not going to try to convince any priest to recognize gay marriage.
    Exactly. My mom was a Catholic and when she got remarried the church didn't recognize her divorce, so they didn't recognize her second marriage, so they considered her to be having an affair for the duration of her second marriage. Completely within their rights, and I'd oppose anyone trying to take that right away.

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