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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If it were men, yes.
    So a straight couple doing that in public isn't flaunting but a gay couple is?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It seems the reason Christie vetoes this is because he wants the state as a whole to vote on a referendum. This is the correct course of action and I support his decision to veto in this case.
    I totally agree let the people of the state decide like 32 other states have done .
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

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    So a straight couple doing that in public isn't flaunting but a gay couple is?
    i remember about 20 years ago we took our kids to fireworks on a river bank.....festival type atmosphere. we spread out our blanket behind a couple of young men.........who then cuddled and kissed. We didn't move, but we were uncomfortable because we hadn't had any conversations with our kids yet. we did then, lol.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

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    Same with grade based financial aid. A person in their 70ís going back to school to get a higher education doesnít seem all that beneficial to the state. Was it proven that this is of use to the state?

    Like grade based perks, it is a rather mindless decision society makes to give benefits to those that fit the bill.

    As a libertarian, disagree with giving these perks is obvious, but I fail to see why giving them is ok for one and not the other.
    Well, first of all, I'm not sure what a 70 year old going back to school has to do with same sex marriage.

    I see how you're trying to make a comparison, but its not going well because the argument about the perks needing to be based on what is good for the state would have to do more with raising children than producing children. But this is not how marriage laws are being restricted at all. This is just an excuse for not allowing gays to marry the person they want.

    Also, such an argument ignores the fact that stable relationships, whether making/raising children or not, are good for society. They give society a person who can make medical and legal decisions for another adult if the other adult is unable to do so. Legal marriages also give society someone to charge for the burial and end-of-life costs of another adult. Sure, there are times when society would have to pick up the bill anyway, due to not being able to afford it, but most of the time, those bills do fall on the spouse.

    Plus, there has been research done (I've seen one that was done by the Army) that shows how just being married, even without children, makes men in particular (not sure if the study was mainly on men or the women studied showed little significant change) become or are more responsible citizens/soldiers because they now feel that they have someone else they are responsible for. Considering the nature of the effect and the general idea of marriage including being somewhat responsible for your spouse, this should not be different whether the man's spouse is male or female. It may change for each individual person and how they view their responsibility in a marriage, but it should show the same results overall (kinda hard to study it when there is little significant data on SSM since it isn't legal in our country).
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If it were men, yes.
    That makes absolutely no sense. Why isn't it flaunting if it's a straight couple? Do gay couples not show affection like straight couples do?

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If it were men, yes.
    So you're totally against gay people and straight people flaunting their sexuality in public....

    You just think gay people flaunting their sexuality involves them holding hands while straight people flaunting their sexuality in public would require them to be giving it to each other doggy style while pointing at passerbys. Makes a ton of sense


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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    So a straight couple doing that in public isn't flaunting but a gay couple is?
    Sorry society is not ready to see me kissing and flaunting their sexuality and neither am I
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i remember about 20 years ago we took our kids to fireworks on a river bank.....festival type atmosphere. we spread out our blanket behind a couple of young men.........who then cuddled and kissed. We didn't move, but we were uncomfortable because we hadn't had any conversations with our kids yet. we did then, lol.
    And see, I could understand a parent feeling this. And I can even understand the desire from some for gays not to be as physical in public in part because of things like this. Like it or not, its not a "normal" thing in that its not something you see in a large portion of the population and run into routinely. At the same time, its not "normal" in some towns for kids to have ever seen an asian person or a black person...but does that mean we shouldn't ask those people to go out in public because some parents with their kids who never saw one before may see them and go "Mommy why's that man look different".

    I can understand the feeling of some parents on this, at the same time though I can understand homosexuals feelings regarding it as well.

    However, I don't believe that two guys kissing in public or holding hands are "flaunting their sexuality in public". Are there cases hwere it could be? Absolutely. I've had a gay friend in college make a big giant public, "LOOK AT ME DISPLAY", of laying a huge kiss on a guy in public before. In that case, ABSOLUTELY he was flaunting his sexuality....but that said I'd have a similar issue I imagine as a parent if a girl did a "OMG LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO KISS THIS GUY AND MAKE A SCENE" moment as well. It's the way you do the action, not the action or whose doing the action, that would constitute "flaunting" for me.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Sorry society is not ready to see me kissing and flaunting their sexuality and neither am I
    Actually, the majority of society doesn't care, and even if they did, it doesn't mean that the double standard would be right. It doesn't matter what you are ready to see or not.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I totally agree let the people of the state decide like 32 other states have done .
    When do we all get to vote on your civil rights Navy?
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