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Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

Don't believe that was a gay marriage do you?

No it was a type of attraction that people disapproved of because they believed such relationships were sinful, God disapproved of them, or that they were harmful to children.
 
Yes it is. I am a big fan of that when its the only way a man and a woman can have a child.

I enjoyed making mine.......:2wave:

So your a fan of the modern way, but only for some people?
 
The SCOTUS ruled marriage a right in the Loving v Virginia case.

they once ruled you had the right to own slaves.

sometimes my views on rights don't mesh with the courts views.
 
Marriage is same sex marriage.

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival."

pretty sure same sex marriage was not what they considered fundamental to our very existence.
 
So your a fan of the modern way, but only for some people?

Nope I believe any man can marry any woman but I am against giving Gays a special right to marry one another.
 
Nope I believe any man can marry any woman but I am against giving Gays a special right to marry one another.

It wouldnt be a special right because everyone would have the right to enter into a marriage with someone of the same sex if they wanted. You wouldnt have to be gay to do so.
 
Nope I believe any man can marry any woman but I am against giving Gays a special right to marry one another.

So gender discrimination is okay in your book. Next thing you know women won't be allowed to drive just like in Saudi Arabia. After all if gay marriage happens the next thing ya know people will be marring their favorite pet.... Just like happened in Massachusetts..,
 
It wouldnt be a special right because everyone would have the right to enter into a marriage with someone of the same sex if they wanted. You wouldnt have to be gay to do so.

A lot of opponents of gay marriage view it as a special right, though, because they feel that marriage is specifically for a man and a woman. Frankly, I don't really understand how anyone has the right to define marriage at all. It's not religion-specific.
 
Marriage is same sex marriage.

Maybe to you but not to me......There is only one kind of marriage I will ever recognize. the one that God established between a man and a woman.
 
Maybe to you but not to me......There is only one kind of marriage I will ever recognize. the one that God established between a man and a woman.

Good for you.

There is only one type of "man" I acknowledge. The one who is true to his word. If you are consistent liar in my eyes, then you are nothing but a boy to me no matter how old you are. That just happens to be the only definition of "man" that I will recognize.
 
It wouldnt be a special right because everyone would have the right to enter into a marriage with someone of the same sex if they wanted. You wouldnt have to be gay to do so.

That is so right.........a child could marry his mother a son could marry his dad strictly paternal... do you have any idea the problems that would make?
 
Maybe to you but not to me......There is only one kind of marriage I will ever recognize. the one that God established between a man and a woman.

Just out of curiosity, because I don't know the Bible that well...(and no, this isn't baiting). Does it state anywhere in the Bible that God established marriage between a man and a woman?
 
Good for you.

There is only one type of "man" I acknowledge. The one who is true to his word. If you are consistent liar in my eyes, then you are nothing but a boy to me no matter how old you are. That just happens to be the only definition of "man" that I will recognize.

Whatever, its a free country.
 
That is so right.........a child could marry his mother a son could marry his dad strictly paternal... do you have any idea the problems that would make?

To be honest, it's kind of hard to take marriage seriously nowadays anyway. People can go to a Las Vegas drive thru and get married. There are reality shows based on the premise. Why does marriage suddenly become this holy sacred act when two consenting males or females want to tie the knot?
 
Just out of curiosity, because I don't know the Bible that well...(and no, this isn't baiting). Does it state anywhere in the Bible that God established marriage between a man and a woman?

Like you I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in it you will find something on marriage.............I have sure heard my priest talk enough from the pulpit about it, Oh and you haven't convinced him to recognize gay marriage either.
 
giving Gays a special right

That's the difference between Americans who value freedom and conservatives: The government doesn't "give" rights. Rights exist, and if the government wants to limit them, it needs to prove just cause. That's what a free country is. Sadly, people who want everything to be restricted unless the government "gives" the right to do it have gained way too much ground. In a free country, you're free to do as you please, unless someone can prove it causes them harm. That's what freedom is, and it's what conservatives are opposed to. They want it the other way, where you don't have the right to do anything unless you can prove a need to.

This shouldn't even be a debate, at all, because no one has been able to demonstrate why people shouldn't be allowed to marry other people without reference to gender.

Like you I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in it you will find something on marriage

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That's the difference between Americans who value freedom and conservatives: The government doesn't "give" rights. Rights exist, and if the government wants to limit them, it needs to prove just cause. That's what a free country is. Sadly, people who want everything to be restricted unless the government "gives" the right to do it have gained way too much ground. In a free country, you're free to do as you please, unless someone can prove it causes them harm. That's what freedom is, and it's what conservatives are opposed to. They want it the other way, where you don't have the right to do anything unless you can prove a need to.


This shouldn't even be a debate, at all, because no one has been able to demonstrate why people shouldn't be allowed to marry other people without reference to gender.

Is that the same Americans or Progressives who burn our flags and our troop in effigy?
 
To be honest, it's kind of hard to take marriage seriously nowadays anyway. People can go to a Las Vegas drive thru and get married. There are reality shows based on the premise. Why does marriage suddenly become this holy sacred act when two consenting males or females want to tie the knot?

It always has been in the Catholic church. I don't believe it was a priest performing those marriage. The sacrament of Holy Matrimoney is very important to Catholics.
 
Like you I am not a scholar of the bible but I believe somewhere in it you will find something on marriage.............I have sure heard my priest talk enough from the pulpit about it, Oh and you haven't convinced him to recognize gay marriage either.

Well, it's interesting you bring that up, Navy. I fully support gay marriage. However, I don't feel any church should be forced to recognize or perform a gay marriage if they are against it. Religion shouldn't be forced into politics and politics shouldn't be forced into religion. So, I'm not going to try to convince any priest to recognize gay marriage.
 
Well, it's interesting you bring that up, Navy. I fully support gay marriage. However, I don't feel any church should be forced to recognize or perform a gay marriage if they are against it. Religion shouldn't be forced into politics and politics shouldn't be forced into religion. So, I'm not going to try to convince any priest to recognize gay marriage.

Exactly. My mom was a Catholic and when she got remarried the church didn't recognize her divorce, so they didn't recognize her second marriage, so they considered her to be having an affair for the duration of her second marriage. Completely within their rights, and I'd oppose anyone trying to take that right away.
 
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