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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    If he does veto it hopefully they will overturn it.
    If it's overturned hopefully there will be a constitutional amendment banning it.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except those benefits are not linked to procreation, as has been shown numerous times. IF they were, old people, particularly women past menopause, would not be allowed to marry. Infertile men and women would not be allowed to marry. There would not be 5 states that deny legal marriage to certain couples if they can procreate.

    In fact, there is no question on any marriage license in the US that asks about a couples' ability or even desire to ever raise children, let alone make them with each other.
    I never said the benefits were linked to procreation, I said they are linked to marriage and the creation and ideas behind the institution of marriage are linked to procreation. Do they apply in all cases? No. Marriage has been around a very long time, but things like fertility testing (really, how many couples actually do this prior to marriage and failure to conceive?) and large numbers of post-menopausal women (in 1900, the average life expectancy in the US was around 30 yrs of age and though I have seen no specific numbers, women dying during child birth or due to complications from childbirth was very common) are only historically recent things. Failure to consumate is still a condition for annulment in many states, again linking sex to marriage and of course sex is very closely related to procreation, i.e. the reason that sex exists. Yes, there is a thing called contraception, but keep in mind that just like longer life expectancies, low child mortality, reduced number of women dying with complications from childbirth, etc, they have only been around since the mid to late 20th century while marriage, laws governing it and attitudes towards it have existed since pre-recorded history.

    The whole homosexual marriage subject is very, very recent and due to a mentally deviant sector of our society trying to make their mental disorder appear normal and not an aberration of a normal human instinct.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Too much ignorance and inaccuracy in this post for it to even be taken seriously.
    In your opinion.

    I do grant that previous post is a very short generalized overveiw, my posts have a tendency to be long and many people here do not read really long posts, so I did not present a dissertation of theory, indepth annalysis of data or the complete data set used for the formulation of theories. If you wish, I would be more than happy to reply with my reasoning and "evidence" for my point of veiw on any point you believe is not "accurate".

    As written, your response is way too general and gives neither me nor anyone else any useful information, only your opinion, which I, and probably others, do not take as a 100% accurate law of nature.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I never said the benefits were linked to procreation, I said they are linked to marriage and the creation and ideas behind the institution of marriage are linked to procreation. Do they apply in all cases? No. Marriage has been around a very long time, but things like fertility testing (really, how many couples actually do this prior to marriage and failure to conceive?) and large numbers of post-menopausal women (in 1900, the average life expectancy in the US was around 30 yrs of age and though I have seen no specific numbers, women dying during child birth or due to complications from childbirth was very common) are only historically recent things. Failure to consumate is still a condition for annulment in many states, again linking sex to marriage and of course sex is very closely related to procreation, i.e. the reason that sex exists. Yes, there is a thing called contraception, but keep in mind that just like longer life expectancies, low child mortality, reduced number of women dying with complications from childbirth, etc, they have only been around since the mid to late 20th century while marriage, laws governing it and attitudes towards it have existed since pre-recorded history.

    The whole homosexual marriage subject is very, very recent and due to a mentally deviant sector of our society trying to make their mental disorder appear normal and not an aberration of a normal human instinct.
    First, it doesn't make two bits of difference what marriage was in the past. Marriage was many things in the past, and it was certainly not always about procreation. The main thing marriage has always been about is family ties. In some places, it was even ok for parents to marry two deceased children to each other just so they could make the legal bond between their families.

    Family ties is the basis for marriage, everything else, including procreation, is extra.

    And same sex marriage is not that recent of a phenomenon. Some people just believe it is. There have been several cases in recorded history where same sex marriages were legal. And much of history wasn't actually recorded, so God only knows how many more cases there were.

    Reality is we live in the here and now, when we do have tests to determine if people can procreate individually or with each other. Women live decades past menopause and we know that women past menopause cannot procreate without help.

    Also, you forgot to address the fact that 5 states will not allow certain couples to legally marry if they can procreate. That alone means that at least those states and the federal government do not consider procreation an important aspect in legal marriage (the federal government is included because all those marriages are legally recognized by the federal government).

    Plus, we have studies (because we study everything) that say that marriage is good for society in ways far greater than procreation. Marriage encourages people to be more responsible. Marriage means that society has someone else to hold responsible for important end-of-life decisions and the financial responsibilities that go with those decisions.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    In your opinion.

    I do grant that previous post is a very short generalized overveiw, my posts have a tendency to be long and many people here do not read really long posts, so I did not present a dissertation of theory, indepth annalysis of data or the complete data set used for the formulation of theories. If you wish, I would be more than happy to reply with my reasoning and "evidence" for my point of veiw on any point you believe is not "accurate".

    As written, your response is way too general and gives neither me nor anyone else any useful information, only your opinion, which I, and probably others, do not take as a 100% accurate law of nature.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And you do understand that AIDS is not caused by homosexuality, NP. NP... seriously... have you not learned anything in all the years you've been reading my posts?
    It makes me sad that there could be folks out here that still think of AIDS as "the gay disease". Most of the people dying from it are married straight females or black single females. That is based on the latest I read. But it pisses me off that some still use the AIDS thing to bash gay people and spread rumors that it is the gay disease. I thought we had came a long way from that type of thinking
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    It makes me sad that there could be folks out here that still think of AIDS as "the gay disease". Most of the people dying from it are married straight females or black single females. That is based on the latest I read. But it pisses me off that some still use the AIDS thing to bash gay people and spread rumors that it is the gay disease. I thought we had came a long way from that type of thinking
    We have. That was typical thinking during the Reagan era. Some people just refuse to evolve with the rest of us.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Come on people it does not matter what side of the issue your on but AIDS was originally a gay disease in this country....... Its true now that both straights and gays get it now and that was caused by mostly bi sexual and dirty needles.

    I guess what bothers me more then anything else is every year thousands of women who did nothing wrong die from breast cancer which is much more then the fatality rate from AIDS at this time but because of huge lobbyists for AIDS research there is huge gov money going to it and not nearly that much going to breast cancer research. A lot of people that catch AIDS are in the high risk area where as the women that get breast cancer do nothing to get it..........

    I wish some of the funds that go to AIDS research would be diverted to breast cancer research........I guess I feel so strongly about it is because I had a niece who was 26 years old die from breast cancer...
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And you do understand that AIDS is not caused by homosexuality, NP. NP... seriously... have you not learned anything in all the years you've been reading my posts?
    It depends how you look at it CC As I just posted AIDS started in this country in the gay community probably in the bath houses of the peoples republic of SF.....That is a fact and I did not make it up...........No matter how much the gay community wants as to forget that fact we won't..........Its to close to home for some people...........
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It depends how you look at it CC As I just posted AIDS started in this country in the gay community probably in the bath houses of the peoples republic of SF.....That is a fact and I did not make it up...........No matter how much the gay community wants as to forget that fact we won't..........Its to close to home for some people...........
    It didn't start in the gay community, it just hit it first. Big difference, it's not like homosexual sex acts is what cultivated this disease. Also it affected straight people right around the same time also, that was just wasn't talked about as much. But AIDS can affect anyone who practices unsafe sex. Period.
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