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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    hose puckey, you ever hear of AIDS????
    Wow, thank you for completely dismissing anything that you could possibly bring to the table regarding this topic. The fact that anyone could still believe that Reagan-era bull**** is just astounding to me.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Those couples would have to get a lot of legal paperwork done, which would cost a lot of money. They would also very likely get screwed over by employers and insurance companies who now get to make a determination of who they want to include in benefits.

    And any couples that were military or got bennies from the government based on marriage would have some big issues regarding housing, BAH, medical, dental, base access, ID cards, and about 100 more things that the military and other the government gives legal spouses of employees or for being legally married.
    So what your saying is with no special treatment everyone would get equally screwed?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    So what your saying is with no special treatment everyone would get equally screwed?
    Yes, something not in the government's best interest. it is highly doubtful that getting rid of legal marriage or a contract very close to it is likely to happen any time soon.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, something not in the government's best interest. it is highly doubtful that getting rid of legal marriage or a contract very close to it is likely to happen any time soon.
    It is not that I am say ditch the current system. I was just more wondering if the love or commitment would change between the couple, but that didn't really seem to get mentioned. All I seen mentioned that if the couple wants to have special treatment without getting wrapped up in a sea of legal paper work and other expenses just to work around the current system of marriage, maybe it could be consolidated some how.

    If I didn't have a marriage license my relationship with my spouse would stay the same. Friends would view us as a couple I would gather being that we would still introduce each other as married if the government was there to recognize the marriage or not. The underlying commitment between the couple would not be dissolved over government dis-involvement.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Number 1, please provide a source for all of this mumbo jumbo you posted. If its your interpertation, then I immediately discount it.
    It was taken from a variety of sources. mostly religioustolerance.com. I've lost the original links, but if need be, I can relocate them. Regardless, the Bible is ALL about interpretation. Your interpretation is no better or valid than mine, and vice versa.

    Number 2, you ignored other verses that prove your entire post wrong.
    "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).
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    I'm Jewish. The NT does not interest me.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    We disagree, and that's fine. I believe the Bible is the basis for right and wrong because God says it is. I believe this is one of those arguments you and I could both waste days posting back and forth about or just agree to disagree. I would rather do the latter. You?
    I also believe the Bible is the basis for right and wrong because God says it is. But what I hear God saying is "right" or "wrong" is different than what you hear.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Applause to Governor Christie!!!!

    Why? To answer that I have to express my veiw on "what is marriage". Some form Marriage of course goes back to pre-writing (pre-Biblical also) times and has arrisen in almost all societies no matter how remote or seperated. Incest is bad genetically, somehow ancient peoples found this out and most societies up to the present have had some sort of taboo about incest (OK, Pharoahs, Roman Emporers, and European Royalty thought it was ok because they also thought that they had special bloodlines and normal rules shouldn't apply to them). Most, if not all forms of marriage historiclly have been based around what woman was reproducing with what man and whose kids are those. For men, it gave them "ownership" of a dedicated sexual partner(s), for women it gave them a dedicated provider and protecter theoretically giving her a ensured means of support for her and her children. The core of marriage is to identify blood lines and legalise some form of support for women and children. It has, mostly, only been the last 30-40 years that women have started to move away from this support structure.

    The modern US version of marriage has mainly been around for less than a century (it actually changes over time). The modern version primarily altered things like providing insurance and benefits to a wife through her husband. Our current manifestation still has those ideas which are largely based upon the fact that women needed that linking because they did not, normally, go out into the job market; instead, they stayed at home, cared for and nurtured their children. (interesting side note: Most of our social/political problems we face increased at a lagtime of about 18 years from a similiar increase of single mothers and women working outside the home. (Topic for another thread there)). Now, many, if not the majority of wifes do work outside the home and sometimes are the provider of the benefits. The whole concept of marriage giving a wife (normally, sometimes husband) benefits derived from being married was based upon the fact that women are the ones who are limited and for a time, unable to actually work. Also, they were historically expected to be the one to nuture and educate the children (hey, their mammary glands produce milk for infants, a man's don't and formula is a rather modern invention).

    So now we come to homosexual marriage. Homosexuals feel they are not being treated equally because their "life partner" cannot receive the benefits of a spouse and that partnership is not socially or legally recognised. But, is this really true? I don't think so. Since marriage and benefits linked to marriage are centered around the fact that married couples reproduce and children must be cared for, there is no reason for homosexuals to be married. Homosexual conduct does not lead to reproduction and therefore there is no need for one partner to remain at home and care for children. The only reason for homosexual couples to get marred would be so that the lazy, non-working or under-employed partner can gain benefits by forcing employers to pay for additional benefits. There is absolutely no reason this should be necessary, there are no children, so both partners can and should work outside the home and receive benefits based upon that employment. Some of you may point out that some homosexuals come out late and may have already had children from a normal relationship, not really a problem, since I consider homosexualality to be a mental disorder, children should never remain in the primary custody of the aberrated parent, they should always go to the normal parent.
    Too much ignorance and inaccuracy in this post for it to even be taken seriously.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Never tried to **** with anyone's life. I didn't tell them to be gay, they chose to. Being gay equals no chance of creating a life.
    The choice of being gay is equal to the choice of being straight. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    hose puckey, you ever hear of AIDS????
    And you do understand that AIDS is not caused by homosexuality, NP. NP... seriously... have you not learned anything in all the years you've been reading my posts?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    It is not that I am say ditch the current system. I was just more wondering if the love or commitment would change between the couple, but that didn't really seem to get mentioned. All I seen mentioned that if the couple wants to have special treatment without getting wrapped up in a sea of legal paper work and other expenses just to work around the current system of marriage, maybe it could be consolidated some how.

    If I didn't have a marriage license my relationship with my spouse would stay the same. Friends would view us as a couple I would gather being that we would still introduce each other as married if the government was there to recognize the marriage or not. The underlying commitment between the couple would not be dissolved over government dis-involvement.
    The marriage license is the only current way an adult has of becoming a legal relative of another adult when blood isn't close enough. It doesn't matter if there is love. Maybe it should, and it is certainly ideal, but you can't measure love. The best we can do is take people's word on it when it comes to the love part. Although, honestly, love has only been an aspect of marriage going in for maybe the last hundred years. It is the ideal of modern society that love be the basis of marriage (I happen to agree that this is a good thing), but it isn't exactly necessary to live up to the legal/financial obligations of legal marriage.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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