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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

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    There are no unwanted infants CC. In fact there are waiting lists to adopt them....I have friends that waited 2 years and then gave up and adopted a cute little baby from South Korea.
    What's the baby's name?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    What a freaking douchebag. Can't imagine who'd support the dumbass.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Does NOT clearly state it in the OT. Here is what the OT passages really mean when translated from the ancient Hebrew in which they were written.............
    ... RAPE, especially homosexual RAPE, is sinful... hence his destruction of those two cities where that practice occurred. The story says nothing about consentual homosexual behavior.
    Number 1, please provide a source for all of this mumbo jumbo you posted. If its your interpertation, then I immediately discount it.
    Number 2, you ignored other verses that prove your entire post wrong.
    "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Number 1, please provide a source for all of this mumbo jumbo you posted. If its your interpertation, then I immediately discount it.
    Number 2, you ignored other verses that prove your entire post wrong.
    "For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27).
    1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law [is] good, if a man use it lawfully; 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
    Or maybe we don't have to believe the Bible is the word of God, and that it is rather a collection of stories and morals from men who lived 2000 years ago and decided their ways were right.

    I see no reason to use the Bible as a basis for right and wrong, and especially not as a basis for our laws. You may not like same sex couples being able to adopt, but unless you have actual evidence that they are doing harm to each other or to the child they are adopting, then you, nor others should have any right to prevent them from adopting.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Or maybe we don't have to believe the Bible is the word of God, and that it is rather a collection of stories and morals from men who lived 2000 years ago and decided their ways were right.

    I see no reason to use the Bible as a basis for right and wrong, and especially not as a basis for our laws. You may not like same sex couples being able to adopt, but unless you have actual evidence that they are doing harm to each other or to the child they are adopting, then you, nor others should have any right to prevent them from adopting.
    We disagree, and that's fine. I believe the Bible is the basis for right and wrong because God says it is. I believe this is one of those arguments you and I could both waste days posting back and forth about or just agree to disagree. I would rather do the latter. You?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    We disagree, and that's fine. I believe the Bible is the basis for right and wrong because God says it is. I believe this is one of those arguments you and I could both waste days posting back and forth about or just agree to disagree. I would rather do the latter. You?
    The bible also condones the killing of homosexuals so lets hope you don't derive all your beliefs on this subject from a single piece of literature.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    We disagree, and that's fine. I believe the Bible is the basis for right and wrong because God says it is. I believe this is one of those arguments you and I could both waste days posting back and forth about or just agree to disagree. I would rather do the latter. You?
    No, I won't "agree to disagree" if you still want to deny same sex couples the right to adopt. You are trying to deny people the right to adopt children who need parents a home because of your beliefs, that have no basis on facts.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, I won't "agree to disagree" if you still want to deny same sex couples the right to adopt. You are trying to deny people the right to adopt children who need parents a home because of your beliefs, that have no basis on facts.
    I do still want to. You still disagree. There's nothing I'm going to say to change your mind because you and I believe in a different set of ideals. So, this is a useless debate. You can say what you want, I'll still believe what I do. I can say what I want, you'll still believe what you do. That's why I said that. I've wasted too much time on this website debating someones ideals. I have better things to do.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I'm a fan of Christie's on most issues, dissapointed to see him make this choice. If I had to guess, this move is nothing more than posturing as a "true social conservative" for a 2016 presidential run.
    Or maybe a 2012 run in a brokered convention?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It is the primary function of government to dictate prohibited usage of words. That was a primary reason for the American revolution and is the heart of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
    Yep. That's why the president is sworn in on the American Heritage Dictionary and vows to uphold all current standard definitions. That's why we prosecute people for slang.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't agreee James, they can call it anything they want, just not marriage.
    You know, NP, this morning, after a big breakfast, I sat down on the toilet and took a freakin' huge marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Too bad for Christie, he had potential to bring the GOP out of the dark ages.
    NO ONE has the potential to bring the GOP out of the dark ages. They don't want out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    a homosexual union shouldn't be called a "marriage".
    Then don't call it marriage. Case closed. I don't call people who want specific words defined in the constitution "conservative", I call them "retarded". You have the right to use language however you care to.

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    Hey man, what's up?

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Applause to Governor Christie!!!!

    Why? To answer that I have to express my veiw on "what is marriage". Some form Marriage of course goes back to pre-writing (pre-Biblical also) times and has arrisen in almost all societies no matter how remote or seperated. Incest is bad genetically, somehow ancient peoples found this out and most societies up to the present have had some sort of taboo about incest (OK, Pharoahs, Roman Emporers, and European Royalty thought it was ok because they also thought that they had special bloodlines and normal rules shouldn't apply to them). Most, if not all forms of marriage historiclly have been based around what woman was reproducing with what man and whose kids are those. For men, it gave them "ownership" of a dedicated sexual partner(s), for women it gave them a dedicated provider and protecter theoretically giving her a ensured means of support for her and her children. The core of marriage is to identify blood lines and legalise some form of support for women and children. It has, mostly, only been the last 30-40 years that women have started to move away from this support structure.

    The modern US version of marriage has mainly been around for less than a century (it actually changes over time). The modern version primarily altered things like providing insurance and benefits to a wife through her husband. Our current manifestation still has those ideas which are largely based upon the fact that women needed that linking because they did not, normally, go out into the job market; instead, they stayed at home, cared for and nurtured their children. (interesting side note: Most of our social/political problems we face increased at a lagtime of about 18 years from a similiar increase of single mothers and women working outside the home. (Topic for another thread there)). Now, many, if not the majority of wifes do work outside the home and sometimes are the provider of the benefits. The whole concept of marriage giving a wife (normally, sometimes husband) benefits derived from being married was based upon the fact that women are the ones who are limited and for a time, unable to actually work. Also, they were historically expected to be the one to nuture and educate the children (hey, their mammary glands produce milk for infants, a man's don't and formula is a rather modern invention).

    So now we come to homosexual marriage. Homosexuals feel they are not being treated equally because their "life partner" cannot receive the benefits of a spouse and that partnership is not socially or legally recognised. But, is this really true? I don't think so. Since marriage and benefits linked to marriage are centered around the fact that married couples reproduce and children must be cared for, there is no reason for homosexuals to be married. Homosexual conduct does not lead to reproduction and therefore there is no need for one partner to remain at home and care for children. The only reason for homosexual couples to get marred would be so that the lazy, non-working or under-employed partner can gain benefits by forcing employers to pay for additional benefits. There is absolutely no reason this should be necessary, there are no children, so both partners can and should work outside the home and receive benefits based upon that employment. Some of you may point out that some homosexuals come out late and may have already had children from a normal relationship, not really a problem, since I consider homosexualality to be a mental disorder, children should never remain in the primary custody of the aberrated parent, they should always go to the normal parent.
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