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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Why should the word "up" be reserved for things that are elevated?
    It isn't exclusively.

    The phrase "shut up" comes to mind. What exactly is the "up" being used for in that phrase? It really doesn't mean much if broken down into its component words because the word up is not being used to mean "elevated". It requires knowing the meaning of the entire phrase and how it fits into the context of what is being said.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Because a gay couple cannot produce their own child due to a choice they made. I think its the governments job to protect those that can't protect themselves ie a fetus or orphans. We, as a society, make the point all the time that a fatherless or motherless child usually ends up worse than a child with both. Well, which one does a gay couple provide?
    Lots of opposite sex couples cannot procreate either because of choices they make in who they decide to be with.

    My stepmother knew that my father could not make any more babies when she married him. Any guy my mother might meet and want to marry in the future will know that she could never make/carry any more babies before they get married. Yet it is perfectly fine if either of the couples made from my parents separating want to either marry, adopt children together, or both.

    The only thing that should limit their ability to do these things should be an actual lack of ability to perform the necessary legal functions of doing those activities, not the sexes of those involved. If they cannot legally sign contracts, that's a problem. If they are already obligated to someone else in those legal functions, that's a problem (as of now). If they cannot financially support a child, that's a problem. If they are found to be not fit as parents, that's a problem. The relative sexes of those trying to adopt or marry should not be a problem.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Wouldn't someone raised by a gay couple be without a mother or father?
    So what?

    Children who lose a parent to death are out a mother/father too? Doesn't mean we take the children away. Hell, many children are out a mother or father for poor choices made by their parents, yet they still get raised by the single parent, usually.

    And a mother or father is not absolutely necessary in raising a child. Two parents (of any sex) are better because that means most of the time the children will have a parent available for them. And, it generally increases the income of the family, which is generally better for children (at least to a point).
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Maybe you can explain to me how two gay people getting married affects your life in the slightest. Since marriage between heterosexuals is hardly a guarantee of happiness, what difference does it make to you? Are you just interested in the feeling of moral superiority it gives you?

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    10% is not huge considering that is the high estimate for most states. Prop 8 passed by less than 4%. Hell, those against interracial marriage in 1968 were at 70%. This means that if interracial marriage were put to a popular vote then, it would have lost by more than 40% of the vote. At this particular time, all polls (except for those targeting conservatives or older people) have shown that people support same sex marriage at a level over 50%.
    The people who were making those passionate arguments against inter-racial marriage are the political ancestors of those up in arms over gay marriage.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Good point. However, I would have a problem with a couple teaching their child to steal, wouldn't you? That's my point. A homosexual couple teaches their child sin, and in fact, the entire relationship their "parents" are in is based upon sin. A traditional marriage is not based on sin. It is as God intended it. Also, I don't understand your behavior vs orientation belief. Sin is sin no matter if it happens outwardly or inwardly.
    Matthew 5:28 ESV But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    Finally, the Bible does the dual duty of showing us good examples to follow as well as bad examples to avoid. Your example of genocide, slavery, etc, are those bad examples to avoid.
    In your opinion based solely on your religion.

    If my religion said that being greedy is wrong and a sin, does that mean that I can legally keep people from entering into contracts that are based on greed?

    What if my religion says that marriage without having first slept with the person is wrong? Should marriages then be limited to only those who have tried each other out first? What if I got enough people behind me to enact such a law? Would it be right?
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You need to read it yourself and tell me where it authorizes any kind of marriage..........If the originators seen what you lefties are trying to do with that amendment they would roll over in their grave.
    It doesn't specifically mention a lot of things, including schools or water fountains. Hell, it doesn't even mention segregation in it. Yet it has been the basis for the overturning of such laws because it does mention that every law the states enact have to abide by the federal constitution and show no discrimination without a damn good reason to do so.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Good point. However, I would have a problem with a couple teaching their child to steal, wouldn't you? That's my point. A homosexual couple teaches their child sin, and in fact, the entire relationship their "parents" are in is based upon sin. A traditional marriage is not based on sin. It is as God intended it. Also, I don't understand your behavior vs orientation belief. Sin is sin no matter if it happens outwardly or inwardly.
    Matthew 5:28 ESV But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    Finally, the Bible does the dual duty of showing us good examples to follow as well as bad examples to avoid. Your example of genocide, slavery, etc, are those bad examples to avoid.
    Sin? Really?

    With all due respect, you have no idea what God intends, or intended, about anything. You're all just putting your own personal slant on what you perceive to be the word of God. It's meaningless.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't specifically mention a lot of things, including schools or water fountains. Hell, it doesn't even mention segregation in it. Yet it has been the basis for the overturning of such laws because it does mention that every law the states enact have to abide by the federal constitution and show no discrimination without a damn good reason to do so.
    Most of these folks don't think it applies to black people and civil rights, either.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    There are no unwanted infants CC. In fact there are waiting lists to adopt them....I have friends that waited 2 years and then gave up and adopted a cute little baby from South Korea.
    You just don't get it, NP. These children that will not be aborted. One of two things will happen. Either the women will find an illegal way to have an abortion, or they will give birth... to a child that they wanted to get rid of. This is an unwanted child. That's 1.3 unwanted children per year. Approximately 125,000 children are adopted per year. Notice the difference, NP? See, this is what all you pro-life advocates always fail to consider. You never actually think about what will happen to the children when they are born... you guys actually don't seem to care. Well I have a solution. Since there are not enough straight couples to adopt all these unwanted kids, the gay couples can adopt them. If you REALLY cared about stopping abortion, you would be pro-SSM and make the trade-off. Stop abortion and let gays adopt, What do you care more about, whether two gays are married or saving those poor innocent babies?
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