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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Wouldn't someone raised by a gay couple be without a mother or father?
    I think you missed part of my post.

    The reason that children of single parent families come out worse isnt because they are motherless or fatherless. Its because the parent doesnt have as much time or resources to devote to raising the child.


    Comparing single parent families with a family where the parents are both the same sex is like comparing apples and oranges.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Seriously? If the Bible says being gay is wrong, wouldn't it be assumed that that same gay couple that is wrong shouldn't raise a kid? The equivalent would be the Bible saying its wrong to steal but its okay to use the item you stole. Its inter-related.
    Well, there are several problems with this argument. Firstly, whether or not the Bible says that being gay is wrong is open for interpretation. I have posted, several times, evidence that shows that the Bible does NOT say that being gay is wrong. At the very least, it comments on behavior, not orientation. Next, it IS a leap to say that if it is not OK to be gay, it is not OK for one who is gay to raise children. Using your example, since the bible says it is not OK to steal, then it stands to reason that anyone who steals should not raise children. I can go on and on with this... ultimately, NO ONE would be able to raise children. Also, if you are going to be a Biblical literalist, I would ask you whether you believe in slavery, genocide, and plenty of other pretty awful things in the Bible. Can't pick and choose. Lastly, if you are against gay marriage on moral/religious reasons, that's fine, I respect that. However, scientifically, those positions hold no water.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

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    Well, there are several problems with this argument. Firstly, whether or not the Bible says that being gay is wrong is open for interpretation. I have posted, several times, evidence that shows that the Bible does NOT say that being gay is wrong. At the very least, it comments on behavior, not orientation. Next, it IS a leap to say that if it is not OK to be gay, it is not OK for one who is gay to raise children. Using your example, since the bible says it is not OK to steal, then it stands to reason that anyone who steals should not raise children. I can go on and on with this... ultimately, NO ONE would be able to raise children. Also, if you are going to be a Biblical literalist, I would ask you whether you believe in slavery, genocide, and plenty of other pretty awful things in the Bible. Can't pick and choose. Lastly, if you are against gay marriage on moral/religious reasons, that's fine, I respect that. However, scientifically, those positions hold no water.
    Especially if he's eaten any shell fish lately...

    Or worked on Sunday lately, Now I'm wondering CC, since the bible clearly states he should be put to death for working on sunday, am I obligated to kill him myself or should I call the police?

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I think you need to, pay close attention to the 14th amendment.

    You need to read it yourself and tell me where it authorizes any kind of marriage..........If the originators seen what you lefties are trying to do with that amendment they would roll over in their grave.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
    When that "baby" in the womb stands up and says "I want to live" similar to how gays stand up and say "I want to be married/adopt children", I'll consider these two issues equal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
    Thats because people have different ideas on when life starts.

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Does anyone but me find it odd that our left wing friends have all the compassion for gays and none for the innocent, defenseless baby in the womb who just want to live like anyone else.
    A non-sequitur just walked by, read your post and said, "dude, you need to dial that down a notch."

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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Well, there are several problems with this argument. Firstly, whether or not the Bible says that being gay is wrong is open for interpretation. I have posted, several times, evidence that shows that the Bible does NOT say that being gay is wrong. At the very least, it comments on behavior, not orientation. Next, it IS a leap to say that if it is not OK to be gay, it is not OK for one who is gay to raise children. Using your example, since the bible says it is not OK to steal, then it stands to reason that anyone who steals should not raise children. I can go on and on with this... ultimately, NO ONE would be able to raise children. Also, if you are going to be a Biblical literalist, I would ask you whether you believe in slavery, genocide, and plenty of other pretty awful things in the Bible. Can't pick and choose. Lastly, if you are against gay marriage on moral/religious reasons, that's fine, I respect that. However, scientifically, those positions hold no water.
    Good point. However, I would have a problem with a couple teaching their child to steal, wouldn't you? That's my point. A homosexual couple teaches their child sin, and in fact, the entire relationship their "parents" are in is based upon sin. A traditional marriage is not based on sin. It is as God intended it. Also, I don't understand your behavior vs orientation belief. Sin is sin no matter if it happens outwardly or inwardly.
    Matthew 5:28 ESV But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    Finally, the Bible does the dual duty of showing us good examples to follow as well as bad examples to avoid. Your example of genocide, slavery, etc, are those bad examples to avoid.
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    Re: Chris Christie set to veto gay marriage bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Especially if he's eaten any shell fish lately...

    Or worked on Sunday lately, Now I'm wondering CC, since the bible clearly states he should be put to death for working on sunday, am I obligated to kill him myself or should I call the police?
    Clearly states it in the Old Testament law, which we do not live under anymore. We now live under New Testament law.
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