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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I think that's pretty much it. This isn't about birth control. The issue is wether a religious organization that does not approve of birth control should be required to pay for birth control. religious liberty.

    If an employee disagrees with the church's stand, they can get a different job - just like liberals often say if someone doesn't want to be a member of a union they can be something other than a teacher.

    So when JW's stop paying for blood transfusions it will be ok. Or when scientologists don't pay for vaccines that's ok.

    Right wing doesn't like single payer, but don't want private insurance to work either.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    So when JW's stop paying for blood transfusions it will be ok.
    Do you have some information that the Watchtower provides insurance to their employees? I actually don't think they have any employees (its all voulenteer from what I recall).

    But, yes. I would say that if JW's are running a hospital they should be able to decide that in accordance with their doctrine, that hospital should not be required to perform transfusions.

    Likewise, if the Watchtower is employing and providing insurance, they should have the option of opting out of certain coverages - i'm not sure how realistic opting out of blood transfusions are, but ok...

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Do you have some information that the Watchtower provides insurance to their employees? I actually don't think they have any employees (its all voulenteer from what I recall).

    But, yes. I would say that if JW's are running a hospital they should be able to decide that in accordance with their doctrine, that hospital should not be required to perform transfusions.

    Likewise, if the Watchtower is employing and providing insurance, they should have the option of opting out of certain coverages - i'm not sure how realistic opting out of blood transfusions are, but ok...

    Well you wouldn't opt out of having a blood transfusion your insurance just woudn't cover it and you would have a big bill. All of this is stupid. Perhaps the government should stop funding all catholic hospitals and just build new ones.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Well you wouldn't opt out of having a blood transfusion your insurance just woudn't cover it and you would have a big bill.
    In other words, the watchtower society would be opting out of that coverage. I would assume they would have some form of savings, as small a savings as it is. Again, though, i'm not sure how realistic that is, but you asked a hypothetical.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Hey, Carolyn, where are the dead babies? Do they not have a say in this?

    That's what I thought.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Hey, Carolyn, where are the dead babies? Do they not have a say in this?

    That's what I thought.
    Do you think that contraception kills babies really?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I think that's pretty much it. This isn't about birth control. The issue is wether a religious organization that does not approve of birth control should be required to pay for birth control. religious liberty.
    When that religious organization is operating as a business then religious liberty is no longer an issue in regards to how it treats its employees.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    When that religious organization is operating as a business then religious liberty is no longer an issue in regards to how it treats its employees.
    The courts disagree, as do I. This is just one of many such decisions. So don't get too weighed down on the specifics.

    Fired for little more then signing her name to a pro-abortion newspaper ad.

    3rd Circuit affirms right of Catholic school to fire Pro-abortion teacher

    Michele Curay-Cramer taught English and Religion at Ursuline Academy, an independent Catholic school in Wilmington, Delaware. In January 2003, on the 30th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, Curay-Cramer signed onto a full-page ad in the Wilmington News Journal, praising the Roe decision and declaring her pro-abortion position. The Ursulines, however, are a decidedly pro-life organization and on the same day were sponsoring a field trip of its students to Washington, DC to protest the Roe decision and declare the school's pro-life position.

    Following her public declaration on abortion, Curay-Cramer was terminated by the school. Curay-Cramer quickly sued the school (and others), claiming her discharge was sex discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The courts disagree, as do I. This is just one of many such decisions. So don't get too weighed down on the specifics.
    Just because a court thinks otherwise doesn't mean that court is correct.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Just because a court thinks otherwise doesn't mean that court is correct.
    The court quoted above was actually an appeals court. So, that would make two courts that arrived at the same conclusion on that specific case. Then there are the rest of the courts that have come to similar conclusions in other, similar cases.

    However, I guess you can still claim that doesn't mean they were all right. Its just not really possible (or prudent) to argue with such amazing reasoning as you provided, though, is it?

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