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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    You have got to be kidding... Depression is absolutely an abnormal human condition due to seretonin not making it across the synapse - for example. This mental abnormality can be cured through medication. You really are grasping, arent you?
    Are you saying people don't normally get depressed? Seriously?

    prevention is prevention. It is not treatment of an existing condition.


    Not really, but you're kind of like a brick wall. If you think giving someone a salary to spend on porn and forcing a religious organization to directly pay for porn for an employee is the same thing - more power to you.
    The word direct. Think about the word. It means they go to the doctor, ask for contraceptions, and pay for it. In direct: the provide the means and the employee goes to the provider and uses his compensation to pay for it. With both the money and the insurance, only the employee directly uses the services and pays for it with the compensation provided by the employer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    Are you saying people don't normally get depressed? Seriously?
    I am saying depression is not a natural/normal state for humans. It is not part of a healthy individual. Depression is an illness in an individual's brain. Pregnancy, on the other hand, is not an illness. It is part of the natural state of humans. Insurance is to cover the cost of non-healthy and non-natural disease or illness processes. I realize you are really struggling with the defintion of normal and natural. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Pregnancy = normal human function. Depression does not = normal human function, it is an illness.

    The word direct. Think about the word. It means they go to the doctor, ask for contraceptions, and pay for it. In direct: the provide the means and the employee goes to the provider and uses his compensation to pay for it. With both the money and the insurance, only the employee directly uses the services and pays for it with the compensation provided by the employer.
    Nope. The insurance company (or in the case of self-insured) the employee is not paying for anything when it comes to female contraceptives. The female contraceptives are being paid for directly by the insurance company - or business is self-insured. The religious org is being forced to provide a benefit that goes against their biblical teachings. There is a difference between a religious org being forced to pay for porn for their employees and an individual recieving a paycheck and purchasing their own porn.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    I am saying depression is not a natural/normal state for humans. It is not part of a healthy individual. Depression is an illness in an individual's brain. Pregnancy, on the other hand, is not an illness. It is part of the natural state of humans. Insurance is to cover the cost of non-healthy and non-natural disease or illness processes. I realize you are really struggling with the defintion of normal and natural. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Pregnancy = normal human function. Depression does not = normal human function, it is an illness.
    But it is. Depression is quite natural. In fact, if you never have any depression, you might want to see a doctor. Are you changing from normal to illness? Depression isn't always an illness either. In fact, to be an illness, it has to go far beyond what is normal. Still, we do help with normal depression.



    Nope. The insurance company (or in the case of self-insured) the employee is not paying for anything when it comes to female contraceptives. The female contraceptives are being paid for directly by the insurance company - or business is self-insured. The religious org is being forced to provide a benefit that goes against their biblical teachings. There is a difference between a religious org being forced to pay for porn for their employees and an individual recieving a paycheck and purchasing their own porn.
    Two things. 1. In some cases the employee does pay something. But even when they don't, the compensation is to the employee and not the insurance company. Not to the employer either. It is compensation to the employee, period.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But it is. Depression is quite natural. In fact, if you never have any depression, you might want to see a doctor. Are you changing from normal to illness? Depression isn't always an illness either. In fact, to be an illness, it has to go far beyond what is normal. Still, we do help with normal depression.
    Depression is not normal. It is a sickness that can be treated. Small bouts of sadness are not depression. Doctors are not prescribing zoloft or prosac for someone that is sad for an hour - unless they are committing insurance fraud.

    An illness that involves the body, mood, and thoughts, that affects the way a person eats and sleeps, the way one feels about oneself, and the way one thinks about things. A depressive disorder is not the same as a passing blue mood.
    Two things. 1. In some cases the employee does pay something. But even when they don't, the compensation is to the employee and not the insurance company. Not to the employer either. It is compensation to the employee, period.
    1. Obama has ordered that employees not pay anything - incuding co-pays - for female contraceptions. So you are talking nonsense. 2)The place of religious employment is being required to provide compensation for items outside of their religious beliefs. If they were not being required to provide that compensation, it would be cheaper for the religious org. Consequently, there is certainly a cost associated and the religious org is directly paying the insurance company for the item. The employee can choose to use it or not, but the expense is being paid directly from the company to the insurance company for the coverage wether the employee chooses to use or not.
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