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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, the use of the word abnormally has no bearing on the issue.
    Again, your claim that it doesn't have a bearing on the issue itself has no bearing on the issue. Both the religious leaders and multiple insurance companies have used that exact same argument to not provide contraceptives as part of their coverage. My wife's insurance company used the exact same argument, until her union fought for and was able to get it included as part of the coverage.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Again, your claim that it doesn't have a bearing on the issue itself has no bearing on the issue. Both the religious leaders and multiple insurance companies have used that exact same argument to not provide contraceptives as part of their coverage. My wife's insurance company used the exact same argument, until her union fought for and was able to get it included as part of the coverage.
    It does to the argument I'm making. You must realize just because you, or the Church for that matter, try to spin something so as to excuse a contradiction doesn't mean it holds water.

    And it might be the UNION understood logic better than her insuance company.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    These are not Church employees. Not Clergy. They are at schools and other organizations. People who believe differently, have other views. Which is what separates them from the Church or clergy. Insurance is merely compensation. How the person uses it is up to the individual. Insurance, like the pay check, is spent by the employee and not the employer.

    You know what else is 'up to the individual'? Where they work....If you don't like the pay of benefits an employer offers, you can work for some other entity.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You know what else is 'up to the individual'? Where they work....If you don't like the pay of benefits an employer offers, you can work for some other entity.

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    It is true. Same with the pay check. Both provided by the employer and spent by the employee. how much control do you want the employer to have over your compensation?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is true. Same with the pay check. Both provided by the employer and spent by the employee. how much control do you want the employer to have over your compensation?

    To work for any particular company is up to me. If I don't like the pay, or benefits, I find a different company to work for. You know why I say that with confidence, because I have done it before.


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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To work for any particular company is up to me. If I don't like the pay, or benefits, I find a different company to work for. You know why I say that with confidence, because I have done it before.


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    Yep. That fixes all problems. Means an employer can do anything, and the worker very little. Like I said, you're loyalites are clear.

    Look, people largely like working for places, but that doesn't mean the employer can't be wrong about something. Or that they can't stand up and speak back to the company. Leaving jobs are easier for some and at some times than others. However, that too doesn't mean anything should go for the employer.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It does to the argument I'm making. You must realize just because you, or the Church for that matter, try to spin something so as to excuse a contradiction doesn't mean it holds water.
    But it doesn't matter to everyone elses argument. The clip of the bishop's council (or whatever it was) that Stewart used in that link you provided was addressing this very topic. Sure, Stewart (and you too) were obviously confused by it, but that doesn't mean that it's not a valid argument.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    How much power do you actually think you deserve Boo? In this thread people have made the argument that simply because the worker has paid a part(yes only a part and a small part at that) that the worker can say whatever it details even if that makes the other two parties have go with what they want. Do you really think the customer should be able to demand whatever they want from the provider of a service and get it? How does the rights of one party allow the force of action by the other? Care to explain that to me?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How much power do you actually think you deserve Boo? In this thread people have made the argument that simply because the worker has paid a part(yes only a part and a small part at that) that the worker can say whatever it details even if that makes the other two parties have go with what they want. Do you really think the customer should be able to demand whatever they want from the provider of a service and get it? How does the rights of one party allow the force of action by the other? Care to explain that to me?
    Yeah, I do think the worker can do with his or her compensaion as he or she sees fit. Period. If no one is required to be of a religion, not a pastor, in fact, maybe not even a believer at all, there is no place for anyone to tell them waht they can do within the law with their compensation.

    The Church is not forced on anything really. They merely give compensaion for the work done. No one is required to use contraceptions. And I assume anyone who believes as the Church does simply won't use them, making it all moot. The problem arises when the Church can't tell someone who disagrees what to do.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    But it doesn't matter to everyone elses argument. The clip of the bishop's council (or whatever it was) that Stewart used in that link you provided was addressing this very topic. Sure, Stewart (and you too) were obviously confused by it, but that doesn't mean that it's not a valid argument.
    I can't speak to anyone's willingness to accept flawed logic. But that that still doesn't give it legs. No , neither myself or Stewart is confused. We just know it doesn't hold up.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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