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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    BC pills can control blood pressure and other chronic conditions.
    They help prevent cancer.
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    Please provide the frequency, chronic conditions, and out of other available treatments BC pills are chosen instead over other established treatments.
    Since I have my doubts she'll be back, i'll just mention that...

    I have a feeling she just did a quick look up, because BC pils have actualyl been shown to lead to hypertension (increased blood pressure). If I had my choice between a beta blocker or a birth control pill to control high blood pressure, I would almost certainly choose the beta blocker.

    I've also read that they can increase the risk of certain types of cancer and have no effect on other types. So, I would guess she's probably unintentially making that up too..

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Is that really how you see it? A little condescending maybe?
    Before I say what I have to say, for those of you who think I bring up military service just to make others feel bad: **** off. Exposure to different cultures adds new information to one's existing world views, so sharing that information is not self-serving.


    Boo Radley, think of how many woman you've seen today, how they were dressed, how they carried themselves, consider what they might do for a living.

    I've been in Afghanistan for 5 months, and in that time I've only seen two (2) Afghan women, both of whom were wearing the light blue burka (=Taliban, fyi). One was walking about 10ft behind her husband along the side of a road in a bazaar, and the other was in an animal cart towed by her husband's tractor. We see men and boys all the time, but it's very easy to think there are no women in Afghanistan at all. They are invisible. They are not allowed out of the home, they don't have an education, they don't have careers, they don't drive, vote, shop, or come to online forums to debate....let alone sit in committees, ever.

    I was on a convoy a few weeks ago that stopped for a Key Leader Engagement (American officers talking to village elders). A married couple in a room started arguing, I don't know what about. The husband started beating her, one of our SGTs who's a cop in back in the states started to make his way over there and was stopped by our convoy commander, saying "this is their culture, we have to ignore it". Needless to say, non of the Afghan men at the meeting even flinched when the strikes landed. She has no future if she runs away and if she resists the beating she is executed for dishonoring her family.

    So, when I see women back in the states complaining that some random comity didn't have a woman on it, I think of how lucky those women are to be free enough to complain at all, to have rights under the law to then think those rights are being violated, to have men in their culture willing to consider their grievance, and to know that they are in a culture where women regularly hold positions of real authority.

    Yes, that is really how I see it.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Jerry,

    I appreciate your response. And while I know we should all remember we can find worse. The old saying about not having no shoes but met a man with no feet has a lesson. But, at the end of the day, he still had no shoes.

    While I don't argue anyone here has it worse than anyone anywhere, that still doesn't mean there are not problems to address. The fact that other women have it worse is really more the pity. The battle for equality is still on going, and still world wide, with better and worse, but ongoing.

    And that is how I see.


    Again, I did appreciate the full response.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure you are, you are turning the real objection, and argument on its head which is a common liberal tactic.

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    Yes, reasoning will do that. Things are always clearer when you don't have to think. Just know.


    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I have only said that churches and religious orgs should not be required by the government to pay for items that are against their teachings and beliefs. I really have no idea why you don't get that, but whatever. Insurance provides benefits to correct things that are physically abnormal. Viagra is curing a medical problem. Birth control is not correcting (in a vast majority of cases) a medical problem. You have convinced yourself that they are the same thing. They simplay aren't. Now, if you found catholic churches that were paying for condoms, then you would have an apples to apples comparisson. Other then making you feel good, though, comparing Viagra and BC doesn't work. Again, one treats a medical problem. The other (in almost all cases) does not.
    These are not Church employees. Not Clergy. They are at schools and other organizations. People who believe differently, have other views. Which is what separates them from the Church or clergy. Insurance is merely compensation. How the person uses it is up to the individual. Insurance, like the pay check, is spent by the employee and not the employer.

    And Yes, the comparison works. You may talk yourself around it, but both involved a use that most churches object to, and both have other medical uses, and one is allowed and the other isn't.

    It's certain? I would like to see the statistics of the number of people that get viagra through their church funded insurnace policy that are unmarried. unlessyou have those statistics you are just making stuff up - kind of like how you insist there are no increased costs to covering birth control. Regardless, and again, medically necessary viagra is providing a cure to a medical problem. Insurance will cover it. Birth control, in most cases, is not curing a medical problem.
    Not exactly what I said, but as single males to get viagra, and single males do work for the church, would you argue ti doesn't happen?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And Yes, the comparison works. You may talk yourself around it, but both involved a use that most churches object to, and both have other medical uses, and one is allowed and the other isn't.
    One is providing a solution to a medical abnormality. The other is not. One is definetly being used contrary to the church's teachings (morning after pill and contraceptions). the other may possibly be used contrary to the church's teachings. The two situations are completely different. However, I realize you have convinced yourself that they are the same. So, i'll just let it be.

    Anyway, and more importantly, I have now recieved my answer to the orginal question. Stewart actually believes what he said. He was not simply trying to fool his audience.

    Not exactly what I said, but as single males to get viagra, and single males do work for the church, would you argue ti doesn't happen?
    Yes, I will argue that no single males that work in a religious insitution are getting viagra. Please prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.

    BTW, with all of the lawsuits regarding this issue and separation of church/state, the SC will almost certainly end up deciding the issue. Eventually we will know for certain who was right.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    One is providing a solution to a medical abnormality. The other is not. One is definetly being used contrary to the church's teachings (morning after pill and contraceptions). the other may possibly be used contrary to the church's teachings. The two situations are completely different. However, I realize you have convinced yourself that they are the same. So, i'll just let it be.

    Anyway, and more importantly, I have now recieved my answer to the orginal question. Stewart actually believes what he said. He was not simply trying to fool his audience.
    Your focus on the word abnormality has no meaning. Medicine is not limited to only abnormality. It also deals with prevention. The issue is moral objection, using something that the could be used for an objectionable reason. Both treat other conditions. One is denied regardless. Both can be used for morally objectionable reasons. Only one is denied regardless.

    Yes, I will argue that no single males that work in a religious insitution are getting viagra. Please prove me wrong. I'll be waiting.

    BTW, with all of the lawsuits regarding this issue and separation of church/state, the SC will almost certainly end up deciding the issue. Eventually we will know for certain who was right.
    Yes, the SC will likely settle it. Based on the reasoning used in their last ruling, Churches may be disappointed.

    I find your absolute unlikely concerning use, but I'll see if I can something.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Huh...when I first saw this thread I thought it was a thread about the movie Blazing Saddles...

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your focus on the word abnormality has no meaning. Medicine is not limited to only abnormality. It also deals with prevention.
    Prevention of abnormalities. Pregnancy is not an abnormality. It may be unwanted, but that doesn't make it abnormal.

    I realize that like any good individual to the political left you want to live in the grey area of what's normal or not, but clearly - pregnancy is a normal human condition following certain activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Prevention of abnormalities. Pregnancy is not an abnormality. It may be unwanted, but that doesn't make it abnormal.

    I realize that like any good individual to the political left you want to live in the grey area of what's normal or not, but clearly - pregnancy is a normal human condition following certain activities.
    Again, the use of the word abnormally has no bearing on the issue.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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