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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    It's nice to know that things are so good for women in America that all they have to bitch about is incidentally not being in some random comity.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's nice to know that things are so good for women in America that all they have to bitch about is incidentally not being in some random comity.
    Is that really how you see it? A little condescending maybe?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I truly just can't believe that you actually think that providing new coverage will not increase costs to the insurance company that will be passed on to the premium paying organizaation... Can you? I mean.. Really?!?
    How expensive can it really be. Both those people who use can't be that expensive. It's not like a major change, like form a $1000 deductible to no deductible.


    In your opinion the government forcing a church to provide birth control (which is specifically against their beliefs and teachings) is not a violation the sepearate of church and state? Well, good luck with that one.
    they are not. they are providing insurance. This is an important distinction. They are no more providing birth control with their insurance dollar than their pay check is them providing drug use, or prostitution, or alcohol consumption.


    In other words, insurance is only covering viagra when it is to correct a medical and physical problem (which is what i've been saying) and they are not covering viagra when it's not correcting a medical problem. Just like it should be for female BC. You just believe that female BC should be one of the only items covered by insurance when it is not correcting a medical and physical problem. That is your double standard that you've been grasping for.
    And birth control is a medical condition. You see a doctor. As are the other conditions.



    Of course I am. Viagra should and is only covered by insurance when it is correcting a medical problem. Viagra should not be covered for males when it is not correcting a medical problem. I made the exact same argument for both female BC and viagra.
    That medical condition, an erection, can be just as objectionable to a religious belief.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?' - CNN.com

    "What I want to know is: Where are the women?" Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-New York, said as she began her remarks at the top of hearing titled "Lines Crossed: Separation of Church and State. Has the Obama Administration Trampled on Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Conscience?"

    Directing her question at Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Maloney was referring to the fact that the first panel of five witnesses at the hearing did not include a woman, even though the discussion touched on the recent controversy over an Obama administration regulation requiring health insurance coverage for contraception.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How expensive can it really be. Both those people who use can't be that expensive. It's not like a major change, like form a $1000 deductible to no deductible.
    That's really besides the point. Whatever the extra price is, a religion that believes and teaches that morning after pills and birth control is not bibilical, should not be required to provide it free of charge - agaisnt their religious beliefs However, I know that prior to my wife's insurance covering it, it was $50.00/month. So, $600.00 per year times however many female employees.

    they are not. they are providing insurance. This is an important distinction. They are no more providing birth control with their insurance dollar than their pay check is them providing drug use, or prostitution, or alcohol consumption.
    I love word games. But forgetting the games you want to play... why is Obama requiring that they pay for it, if they aren't providing it to people that want it free of charge?

    And birth control is a medical condition. You see a doctor. As are the other conditions.
    I trust you really knew what I was saying, and chose to be purposely obtuse.

    That medical condition, an erection, can be just as objectionable to a religious belief.
    If there is a church out there that believes that no man should ever have an erection, I would be just as against Obama requiring that they provide free viagra to people that recieve insurance from them.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    That's really besides the point. Whatever the extra price is, a religion that believes and teaches that morning after pills and birth control is not bibilical, should not be required to provide it free of charge - agaisnt their religious beliefs However, I know that prior to my wife's insurance covering it, it was $50.00/month. So, $600.00 per year times however many female employees.
    I said the price didn't matter if that wasn't your objection, but you keep bringing it up. And premarital sex isn't supported by doctrine either (though the Bible really doesn't have a book on birth control). Yet, they are willing to deal with that erection problem for the single male.


    I love word games. But forgetting the games you want to play... why is Obama requiring that they pay for it, if they aren't providing it to people that want it free of charge?
    It's not a word game. Birth control is an issue. And frankly, if you use birth control, abortion becomes a non-issue. And most insurance has a deductible, and family insurance usually has the employee pay part of it. I pay 200 a month. Double a few years ago, long before Obama.



    I trust you really knew what I was saying, and chose to be purposely obtuse.
    All I'm trying to get you to see is that you're making a distinction without a difference.

    If there is a church out there that believes that no man should ever have an erection, I would be just as against Obama requiring that they provide free viagra to people that recieve insurance from them.
    The churches opposing this largely oppose premarital sex. But it is certain that males who are not married are getting viagra paid for as part of their insurance, and for the purpose of having an erection, allowing them to have sex.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I said the price didn't matter if that wasn't your objection, but you keep bringing it up. And premarital sex isn't supported by doctrine either (though the Bible really doesn't have a book on birth control). Yet, they are willing to deal with that erection problem for the single male.
    I have only said that churches and religious orgs should not be required by the government to pay for items that are against their teachings and beliefs. I really have no idea why you don't get that, but whatever. Insurance provides benefits to correct things that are physically abnormal. Viagra is curing a medical problem. Birth control is not correcting (in a vast majority of cases) a medical problem. You have convinced yourself that they are the same thing. They simplay aren't. Now, if you found catholic churches that were paying for condoms, then you would have an apples to apples comparisson. Other then making you feel good, though, comparing Viagra and BC doesn't work. Again, one treats a medical problem. The other (in almost all cases) does not.

    The churches opposing this largely oppose premarital sex. But it is certain that males who are not married are getting viagra paid for as part of their insurance, and for the purpose of having an erection, allowing them to have sex.
    It's certain? I would like to see the statistics of the number of people that get viagra through their church funded insurnace policy that are unmarried. unlessyou have those statistics you are just making stuff up - kind of like how you insist there are no increased costs to covering birth control. Regardless, and again, medically necessary viagra is providing a cure to a medical problem. Insurance will cover it. Birth control, in most cases, is not curing a medical problem.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Every person responds differently to different treatments.

    Dodge.


    BC pills can control blood pressure and other chronic conditions.
    Please provide the frequency, chronic conditions, and out of other available treatments BC pills are chosen instead over other established treatments.

    They help prevent cancer.
    document please.

    I think these are lifesaving measures.
    And I think you are really reaching here.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    We,re not deciding for individuals, rather selectively I might add, what they can have and can't.

    Sure you are, you are turning the real objection, and argument on its head which is a common liberal tactic.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post

    Oh please! Can't we grow up a little Mr. 'Conservative'???


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