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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    All the Church pays for is the insurance.
    And the insurance will be more expensive since the insurance companies are no longer opting out of contraception and morning after pills and there will not be any co-pays for the insured. So yes, the government is requiring that the church provide compensation that goes directly against their beliefs - violating the church's first ammendment rights.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    And the insurance will be more expensive since the insurance companies are no longer opting out of contraception and morning after pills and there will not be any co-pays for the insured. So yes, the government is requiring that the church provide compensation that goes directly against their beliefs - violating the church's first ammendment rights.
    No, insurance will not be more expensive, if this is the only issue. This is a common and accepted norm in insurance.

    Again, no, it is an employee compensaion, like their pay check, and they choose what they use it for and not the any employer.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    lack of er.ection is a medical problem. Shocking. it relates to a blood flow problem. You can get the med for the blood flow problem, which will also help with the erection. Follow. You can get contraceptions for medical reasons. Just like you can viagra. And just like viagra, when taking for those reasons, you get another benefit. You're protected from pregnancy. You see, there is no difference between the two other than the Church will allow one but not the other. The Church does not limit the use of Viagra in any way. No one does. Kind of odd and illogical.

    And Obama has to make no such distinction for males. How can you not see the contradiction. Funny that you can't.
    The difference is that insurance only covers viagra that is necessary for a medical condition. Obama is ordering that insurance companies provide free contraception and morning after pills even in the vast majority of cases where there is clearly not a medical condition. So, there is a huge difference between the two. Your repeating of the fact that there are a few instances where contraceptives are used for medical conditions doesn't negate the remaining 99% of cases where it is used strictly as birth control - against the church's teachings and you are forcing them to go against their religion.

    The Church does not limit the use of Viagra in any way. No one does. Kind of odd and illogical.
    Insurance companies only cover viagra when there is a medical condition that has to be corrected. Birth control will now be covered for the vast majority of cases not involving a medical condition and will only be used for reasons specifically against the beliefs of the church.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, insurance will not be more expensive, if this is the only issue. This is a common and accepted norm in insurance.

    Again, no, it is an employee compensaion, like their pay check, and they choose what they use it for and not the any employer.
    Earlier in this thread, I provided a study that showed that a majority of insurance companies themselves indicated that they will be charging more in premium due to contraception rules. So, I realize you have a feeling about it, but your feeling is wrong.

    Many insurance companies do not cover birth control without a co pay and the catholic church and religious organizations were opting out of that coverage (resulting in savings). They will not be able to opt out anymore, causing an increase in premium. The insurance companies have already indicated this is a fact and they do not expect the savings from unwanted pregnancies to ouweigh the increased costs from birth control.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    Earlier in this thread, I provided a study that showed that a majority of insurance companies themselves indicated that they will be charging more in premium due to contraception rules. So, I realize you have a feeling about it, but your feeling is wrong.

    Many insurance companies do not cover birth control without a co pay and the catholic church and religious organizations were opting out of that coverage (resulting in savings). They will not be able to opt out anymore, causing an increase in premium. The insurance companies have already indicated this is a fact and they do not expect the savings from unwanted pregnancies to ouweigh the increased costs from birth control.
    So is your argument cost, or what they object to?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    The difference is that insurance only covers viagra that is necessary for a medical condition. Obama is ordering that insurance companies provide free contraception and morning after pills even in the vast majority of cases where there is clearly not a medical condition. So, there is a huge difference between the two. Your repeating of the fact that there are a few instances where contraceptives are used for medical conditions doesn't negate the remaining 99% of cases where it is used strictly as birth control - against the church's teachings and you are forcing them to go against their religion.



    Insurance companies only cover viagra when there is a medical condition that has to be corrected. Birth control will now be covered for the vast majority of cases not involving a medical condition and will only be used for reasons specifically against the beliefs of the church.
    Do you read what I write? I mean at all. Lack of erection is a medical condition. So what exactly would they refuse to pay for?

    And nowhere does any Church even question the morality of caring about an erection.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really, so when they pay you, they decide what you can buy. After all, it is their money they are giving to you. Salary is really no different than insurance. Both are you pay, your conmpesation for the work or service provided.
    No, they are different. Sorry you can't see that.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I'm not. Your benefit package is as much compensation for your labor as you salary. Both are equal.
    No, they are not. And the benefit package is typically an agreement between employer and employee. Here, the government is trying to force the terms of the package on the employer.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    No, insurance will not be more expensive, if this is the only issue. This is a common and accepted norm in insurance.

    Again, no, it is an employee compensaion, like their pay check, and they choose what they use it for and not the any employer.
    Then why not give the cost of the policy directly to the employee so they can purchase their own insurance with the coverage they like?
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Do you read what I write? I mean at all. Lack of erection is a medical condition. So what exactly would they refuse to pay for?

    And nowhere does any Church even question the morality of caring about an erection.
    What does this have to do with birth control?
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