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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And no, viagra, once allowed as part of the plan, can be used however the patient sees fit. There is no functional difference between the two
    Of course it can be used as the patient sees fit. However, to qulify for the pills under the plan, there has to be an actual medical problem. That is not the case with contraceptives under Obama's mandate. That is what the religious groups are saying and what Stewart left out.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I am a Catholic, I feel quite free to keep singling them out.

    There is no difference. Because with the insurance, they are not choosing to have contraceptions. The employee is. You don't just get them handed to you. You have to go and get them, using your individual choice, with your compensation, just as you do with the money in pay check. No difference.
    I am not catholic, so you should be more inclusive and include the many religions against the infringement on freedom of religion. Obma/HHS are forcing religious organizations to directly pay for things directly against their religion. So there clearly is a difference. I realize you don't see it, but you are just wrong.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I am not catholic, so you should be more inclusive and include the many religions against the infringement on freedom of religion. Obma/HHS are forcing religious organizations to directly pay for things directly against their religion. So there clearly is a difference. I realize you don't see it, but you are just wrong.
    No. They provide the insurance. This is indirect. To get the contraceptions, the employee, who may or may not agree with the church, must exercise their choice. The insurance, like pay, is merely compensation. How it is used is up to the employee.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Of course it can be used as the patient sees fit. However, to qulify for the pills under the plan, there has to be an actual medical problem. That is not the case with contraceptives under Obama's mandate. That is what the religious groups are saying and what Stewart left out.
    Yeah, lack of blood flow making the errection not possible.

    Same with contraceptions. There is no difference.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. They provide the insurance. This is indirect. To get the contraceptions, the employee, who may or may not agree with the church, must exercise their choice. The insurance, like pay, is merely compensation. How it is used is up to the employee.
    The religious organziations will be paying the premiums and co-pays, so they are directly paying for the contraception.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Same with contraceptions. There is no difference.
    Lack of blood flow causes pregnancy? I had no idea. There is a difference in a vast majority of cases. I realize that there are rare medical conditions that require birth control type pills, but those situations are rare. Had Obama indicated that insurance had to cover the rare situations where birth control is medically required, I suspect you would see a lot less blow-back.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Why doesn't the Church contract a third party to provide insurance like every other employer or are they just using this to exert religious control over people?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Why doesn't the Church contract a third party to provide insurance like every other employer or are they just using this to exert religious control over people?
    Employees that don't like the religious organization's insurance coverage are free to get any number of jobs outside of a religious organization. They will then be guaranteed free contraceptives under Obama's mandate.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Employees that don't like the religious organization's insurance coverage are free to get any number of jobs outside of a religious organization. They will then be guaranteed free contraceptives under Obama's mandate.
    They won't be free the insurance they pay for will provide it. Also, constiution is about protecting over reach of large religions. That is why the pilgrims fled remember. So The Catholics should either be a religion or be an insurance company. Follow the rules or don't be in the insurance business.

    I think we can all agree that the Pope shouldnt be deciding U.S. insurance laws.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    They won't be free the insurance they pay for will provide it. Also, constiution is about protecting over reach of large religions. That is why the pilgrims fled remember. So The Catholics should either be a religion or be an insurance company. Follow the rules or don't be in the insurance business.

    I think we can all agree that the Pope shouldnt be deciding U.S. insurance laws.
    Not all religious organizations are self-insured. Wether they are or not, the religious organizations (and all employers really) are paying a vast majority of the premium for their emplyoees. So, even when the religious organization uses an outside insurance company, the religious organization will be paying for contraceptives and morning after pills. The religion should be free of the government requiring them to provide things that are in direct conflict of their beliefs.

    If the employee needs free contraceptives, etc, they should look for a job outside of a religious organziation. They can then have all the pill induced abortions they want.

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