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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not what who said?
    Stewart was not convinced by the distinction. "So the Catholic Church says a[n erection] is a need, but not getting pregnant is more of a want?"
    Do you think he really doesn't know what the panel was saying, or do you think he was trying to fool his audience? I tend to think the later, but who knows.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    No, they pay for insurance. Insurance for people who may or may not share their beliefs. It's really a silly issue. They pay for a lot of things that abhorrent to them, and pay people who do things that are abhorent to them. Their logic is sadly lacking.
    Currently they do not pay for insurance for contraception/morning after pill and this is not infringing on anyones rights. It's really not a silly issue at all. It's a shame that some people are so willing to give up constituionally guaranteed rights in order to "feel good".

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    If we can't this right, what kind of troubles are we going to see when it comes to end of life care and other touchy subjects.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

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    What does that have to do with religiously-affiliated schools and hospitals?
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they pay for insurance. Insurance for people who may or may not share their beliefs. It's really a silly issue. They pay for a lot of things that abhorrent to them, and pay people who do things that are abhorent to them. Their logic is sadly lacking.
    When you pay for insurance, you pay for various services that the insurance policy provides, which are spelt out in the policy. If the policy includes birth control, then you are indeed paying for it. You don't think that influences the premium that is paid? Of course it is. So, yes, whoever is paying for the insurance is paying for the service of the provision of birth control, something that is abhorrant to many people of Faith, Catholic and otherwise.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    When you pay for insurance, you pay for various services that the insurance policy provides, which are spelt out in the policy. If the policy includes birth control, then you are indeed paying for it. You don't think that influences the premium that is paid? Of course it is. So, yes, whoever is paying for the insurance is paying for the service of the provision of birth control, something that is abhorrant to many people of Faith, Catholic and otherwise.
    Just as you are paying for all kinds of things the church objects to. Mindless to pick one, especially one they are so wrong about.

    Let me ask you, when they pay the salary to their employees, and they go buy drugs, or prostitutes, or use the money on affiras or getting drunk, should the church have a say? After all, insurance is part of the salary packet, and if the problem is the money being spent on what the Church objects to, what is the line and hwo do you justify it?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Currently they do not pay for insurance for contraception/morning after pill and this is not infringing on anyones rights. It's really not a silly issue at all. It's a shame that some people are so willing to give up constituionally guaranteed rights in order to "feel good".
    Really? Don't workers have the right to disagree with the Church? Especially the non-Catholics?

    You can answer the same question I ask above.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Do you think he really doesn't know what the panel was saying, or do you think he was trying to fool his audience? I tend to think the later, but who knows.
    You didn't really answer the question. You seem to me to be confused. Are you talking about what was said years agoe, or the panel now? And if now, exactly what did he get wrong?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Just as you are paying for all kinds of things the church objects to. Mindless to pick one, especially one they are so wrong about.

    Let me ask you, when they pay the salary to their employees, and they go buy drugs, or prostitutes, or use the money on affiras or getting drunk, should the church have a say? After all, insurance is part of the salary packet, and if the problem is the money being spent on what the Church objects to, what is the line and hwo do you justify it?
    You are once again comparing apples and oranges. When I pay taxes, it is the decision of public officials as to how to spend it. It is no longer my money. Similarly, salary for services rendered is to be spent as the employees see fit. It is their money.

    However, NOW you are forcing employers to spend THEIR OWN money on something that is abhorrent to them. How you can't see how that is fundamentally different is beyond me.
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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Really? Don't workers have the right to disagree with the Church? Especially the non-Catholics?

    You can answer the same question I ask above.
    My first question is do you realize it is more then just catholics that are opposed to Obama's mandate? For examples, protestants have just come out and sad they will no longer be providing insurance to individuals at their schools because they do not believe in funding abortion pills and contraceptives.

    Anyway,of course the employees have the ability to disagree. They can take the money they earn from working and spend it on whatever the heck they want, including contraceptives. However, I really ma not sure what that has to do with forcing religious organizations to provide coverage to their employees for things specifically against their beliefs.

    You seem to think those two actions are the same. They aren't.

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