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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    I said no one is asking for a handout. Why are you both ignoring the other part of my comment that some women need the birth control for medical reasons.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I said no one is asking for a handout. Why are you both ignoring the other part of my comment that some women need the birth control for medical reasons.
    Because the three of us realized it was irrelevant. The primary use of contraception is for preventing pregnancy. Obama isn't requiring free birth control just for the rare individual that needs it for a medical reason. He is requiring free BC for all women, and most of them will be using it for reasons outside of the church's beliefs and teachings.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    I said no one is asking for a handout. Why are you both ignoring the other part of my comment that some women need the birth control for medical reasons.
    Are contraceptions available now for medical uses? BTW, what are the medical uses of the pill outside of regulating some women's periods?

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Because the three of us realized it was irrelevant. The primary use of contraception is for preventing pregnancy. Obama isn't requiring free birth control just for the rare individual that needs it for a medical reason. He is requiring free BC for all women, and most of them will be using it for reasons outside of the church's beliefs and teachings.

    Plus, he is arguing that some women can't afford to get the contraceptions they need, so that means the poor, and even though Health Dept's, and Planned Parenthood use a sliding scale all the way to free already, I would have to ask of libs, why they are trying to limit the poor from having children....Sanger would be proud.


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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Plus, he is arguing that some women can't afford to get the contraceptions they need, so that means the poor, and even though Health Dept's, and Planned Parenthood use a sliding scale all the way to free already, I would have to ask of libs, why they are trying to limit the poor from having children....Sanger would be proud.


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    He's also arguing that providing free birth control will be cheaper for the insurance companies due to less unwanted pregnancies. Unfortunately recent surveys have indicatd this isn't true. Obama has taken to just making things up to support his weak argument.

    Insurers see costs in Obama birth control rule - Yahoo! News

    40 percent of the participants said they expect the requirement will increase costs through higher pharmacy expenses.
    20 percent said costs would even out because they already budget for contraception in the premium, 6.7 percent said it would drive up pharmacy costs but decrease medical costs, while 33.3 percent weren't sure. None said it would lead to net savings.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    He's also arguing that providing free birth control will be cheaper for the insurance companies due to less unwanted pregnancies. Unfortunately recent surveys have indicatd this isn't true. Obama has taken to just making things up to support his weak argument.

    Insurers see costs in Obama birth control rule - Yahoo! News

    Thanks buck....I don't know about you, but I am absolutely SHOCKED! that a liberal progressive is lying about something that they say....


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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    He's also arguing that providing free birth control will be cheaper for the insurance companies due to less unwanted pregnancies. Unfortunately recent surveys have indicatd this isn't true. Obama has taken to just making things up to support his weak argument.

    Insurers see costs in Obama birth control rule - Yahoo! News
    THE WHITE HOUSE -- Office of the Press Secretary -- February 10, 2012

    [...] Covering contraception saves money for insurance companies by keeping women healthy and preventing spending on other health services. For example, there was no increase in premiums when contraception was added to the Federal Employees Health Benefit System and required of non-religious employers in Hawaii. One study found that covering contraception lowered premiums by 10 percent or more.

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    02/10/2012 [...] The National Business Group of Health, a nonprofit that represents large employer interests on health policy issues, estimates that employers can save between $9,000 to $14,000 over a five-year period by covering contraception. It also found that not providing coverage could cost an employer 15 percent to 17 percent more a year.

    The Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit that studies reproductive health issues, found that when it comes to Medicaid, every dollar spent on publicly funded contraception saves $3.74 in expenditures on pregnancy-related care for unintended births as well as one year of medical care for the infants.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Earlier in one of the many threads on very similar subject in here I made a comment about the Guttmacher study which nearly every demo politican is parotting like drones, saying that "98% of Catholic women are using contraception"... This is laughable especially when you take into account how they arrive at their numbers....It is summerized nicely here...

    The study in question comes from the Guttmacher Institute. Here’s how they get the result:

    1) They didn’t count anyone that wasn’t a Catholic woman between the ages of 15-44. Obviously, that eliminates everyone that might be too old or too young to be having sex. But, it also eliminates tens of millions of people who are not too old to be having sex.

    2) They didn’t count anyone who was pregnant. Obviously, the vast majority of these people were not using contraception.

    3) They didn’t count anyone who just gave birth. Obviously, the vast majority of these people were not using contraception.

    4) They didn’t count anyone who hadn’t had sex in the last three months. No, this doesn’t just eliminate ugly people. It eliminates every non-married person who is listening to the Catholic church enough to not have sex outside of marriage. In other words, the most likely group to be listening to the Catholic church about contraception.

    5) They didn’t count anyone who was trying to get pregnant, or was indifferent to becoming pregnant. In other words, they eliminated the single most likely group to avoid contraception.

    6) They didn’t count anyone who was having sex, trying to avoid pregnancy, but also not using a specific contraception method. I guess this would be the good ol’ “pull-n-pray”—which, incidentally–isn’t as religious as it sounds.

    7) Two out of every five women in the survey were so incredibly Catholic that they either attended church services “less than once a month” or “never.” Never?



    To summarize:

    The study asked a bunch of Catholic women who are both 1) regularly having sex and 2) trying not to get pregnant, whether they’re using contraception. How did you not get 100% on that question? I mean—what are your other options in that situation? Specifically searching out people who are medically sterile? Buying the Cialis mailing list and trying to find guys with ED? Punching dudes in the groin before you hook up?

    No, 98% of Catholics do not use contraception – Glenn Beck
    Hope this will put an end to this disingenious argument being put forth by liberals...


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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Welcome aboard the fail train
    So your contention is that Obama was just wrong and not actually lying? I guess it's possible he didn't know about the study I quoted when he made his claims. Has he continued making the claim since this study came out, would then be the question... Because, based on the study of the insurance companies (the ones that actually have to pay and would know) there is no cost savings.

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    Re: Angry lawmakers challenge lineup at hearing: 'Where are the women?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    02/10/2012 [...] The National Business Group of Health, a nonprofit that represents large employer interests on health policy issues, estimates that employers can save between $9,000 to $14,000 over a five-year period by covering contraception. It also found that not providing coverage could cost an employer 15 percent to 17 percent more a year.
    BTW, you do realize that this study isn't talking about health insurance premiums, right?

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