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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The fact is, quotas are the antithesis of what Affirmative action stands for. That's then and now. Nothing has changed in that regard. It's simply a shame that the misinformation regarding AA has persisted for so long.
    the fact is, what you wrote has no bearing on the facts. affirmative action at its core uses quotas to determine which groups are even being underrepresented.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I am not giving misinformation. These forms were mandated by the state and local government. As I have said previously, I had to help fill them out. They may not be required today... I've been out of public service for quite a while... but in the 1980's, they WERE required. Your denial does not negate that fact.
    I'm not suggesting you are giving misinformation. Whatever you were involved in had nothing to do with AA as per the actual law.

    Again, the law itself does not, in anyway, back what you were required to do back in the 1980's. If you like, we can review the actual law and discuss it. But the fact remains, AA doesn't support that behavior.

    What it does support is reviewing why your specific organization has only one specific group in it's ranks. If your group is bus drivers and the only people who are bus drivers are white men, it requires you to exam why you're only attracting that group. What is it about your recruitment process is only attracting white men or reaching white men? If you're accepting government monies via contracts, it's necessary for you to review that aspect of your business.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Should have sued. The courts ruled quotas we illegal.

    But, explain the forms. The only forms I've seen say we must prove we are not discriminating. Not that we're meeting a quota.
    I've already explained the forms in Post #73. All cities and counties in California were required to submit them. They didn't have the word "quota" on them; they used the word "percentages" instead, but the bottom line was the same. If 10% of residents in a specific radius were Hispanic, and 10% of city employees were not Hispanic, then we had to explain why, and every job filled during the period along with all application forms for that job were scrutinized.

    Edited to add: I'm not going to go 'round and 'round with semantics on this for you or Tet. Y'all can call it whatever you want. Bottom line, it WAS at its core a quota system whether one could legally call it that or not.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the fact is, what you wrote has no bearing on the facts. affirmative action at its core uses quotas to determine which groups are even being underrepresented.
    Prove it. No more chatter. Copy the portion of the law that supports your viewpoint or stop spewing lies. I'm tired of the back and forth.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I've already explained the forms in Post #73. All cities and counties in California were required to submit them. They didn't have the word "quota" on them; they used the word "percentages" instead, but the bottom line was the same. If 10% of residents in a specific radius were Hispanic, and 10% of city employees were not Hispanic, then we had to explain why, and every job filled during the period along with all application forms for that job were scrutinized.
    Percentages isn't a better word.

    As for explain why, wouldn't a reasonable explanation be that none qualified applied? Having to explain is not the same as mandating a quota, wouldn't you agree?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    BTW, the original court case was in California. 1978.
    by the way, the ruling was 5-4, liberal justices had no problem with the quota system.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the fact is, what you wrote has no bearing on the facts. affirmative action at its core uses quotas to determine which groups are even being underrepresented.
    Again, quotas are against the law. This is a fact.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    by the way, the ruling was 5-4, liberal justices had no problem with the quota system.
    Not sure the vote was along ideaological lines, but it doesn't matter. It is against the law, right?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Prove it. No more chatter. Copy the portion of the law that supports your viewpoint or stop spewing lies. I'm tired of the back and forth.
    I already proved it. to determine which group is underrepresented, we applied a quota calculation.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sure the vote was along ideaological lines, but it doesn't matter. It is against the law, right?
    5-4 indicates that the "law" is pretty subjective.

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