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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    These are not isolated findings. There is very little to dispute them except the 'culture' difernces in IQ testing which is a serious stretch. To your question, I think that it addresses the futility of affirmative action. It may help some, but the overwhelming problem of racial inequality will not go away.
    If race explains differences in education levels, why are Nigerians the most educated group in the United States?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    No, it probably doesn't. What is does give is jobs to the less qualified. I would not let my son be operated on by a AA surgeon. You may do as you please.
    No, it doesn't. That has nothing to do with Affirmative action.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    So many of you have no idea what "Affirmative action" does. It does not favor one group over another specifically. It's not about race, specifically (white women have and continue to be the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative action). It is and continues to be about employers hiring and giving salaries based on factors related to actual ability. Excluding, refusing to hire or giving far lower salaries to people based on sex, skin color and/or sexual persuasion, is and should be against the law. I see no reason to reverse this for any reason.

    Quotas are exact the opposite of what Affirmative action is all about.
    That may be true in today's job market, but it was not true in the 1980's. I worked for a SoCal city. BY LAW that city was required to employ minorities in direct proportion the the percentage of minorities living in a certain radius around our city. BY LAW we had to prepare massive state and federal reports every quarter listing our employees by race, comparing those percentages to the percentage of minorities by race, documenting any changes from last quarter, and justifying any dip in the percentage of those employed to the baseline of minorities in the area.

    Hon, if that isn't a mandated quota system, I don't know what is.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    No, it probably doesn't. What is does give is jobs to the less qualified. I would not let my son be operated on by a AA surgeon. You may do as you please.
    No. Qualifications are not lowered. It is not only possible, but likely that equally qualified people are at the finishline together. Then things other than qualifications are the deciding factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That may be true in today's job market, but it was not true in the 1980's. I worked for a SoCal city. BY LAW that city was required to employ minorities in direct proportion the the percentage of minorities living in a certain radius around our city. BY LAW we had to prepare massive state and federal reports every quarter listing our employees by race, comparing those percentages to the percentage of minorities by race, documenting any changes from last quarter, and justifying any dip in the percentage of those employed to the baseline of minorities in the area.

    Hon, if that isn't a mandated quota system, I don't know what is.
    It was then, as now, against the law unless ordered by a court. it would only have been ordered by a court if the company lost a law suit showing they failed to higher more qualified minorities in favor of less qualified whites.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That may be true in today's job market, but it was not true in the 1980's. I worked for a SoCal city. BY LAW that city was required to employ minorities in direct proportion the the percentage of minorities living in a certain radius around our city. BY LAW we had to prepare massive state and federal reports every quarter listing our employees by race, comparing those percentages to the percentage of minorities by race, documenting any changes from last quarter, and justifying any dip in the percentage of those employed to the baseline of minorities in the area.

    Hon, if that isn't a mandated quota system, I don't know what is.
    The fact is, quotas are the antithesis of what Affirmative action stands for. That's then and now. Nothing has changed in that regard. It's simply a shame that the misinformation regarding AA has persisted for so long.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It was then, as now, against the law unless ordered by a court. it would only have been ordered by a court if the company lost a law suit showing they failed to higher more qualified minorities in favor of less qualified whites.
    That is not the case. There was no lawsuit, no court order. There were state and federal forms that were required by law of all public and governmental entities. Every city and county in California (and presumably around the nation) were required to submit these reports as I have stated. I know. I had to help prepare them.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The fact is, quotas are the antithesis of what Affirmative action stands for. That's then and now. Nothing has changed in that regard. It's simply a shame that the misinformation regarding AA has persisted for so long.
    I am not giving misinformation. These forms were mandated by the state and federal government. As I have said previously, I had to help fill them out. They may not be required today... I've been out of public service for quite a while... but in the 1980's, they WERE required. Your denial does not negate that fact.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That is not the case. There was no lawsuit, no court order. There were state and federal forms that were required by law of all public and governmental entities. Every city and county in California (and presumably around the nation) were required to submit these reports as I have stated. I know. I had to help prepare them.
    Should have sued. The courts ruled quotas we illegal.

    But, explain the forms. The only forms I've seen say we must prove we are not discriminating. Not that we're meeting a quota.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    BTW, the original court case was in California. 1978.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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