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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Exactly, I've explained that quotas do not determine under representation. Quotas are what people illegally enact AFTER they have calculated under-representation. For example, a college might illegally decide that Asians are required make up 10% of our college population. In other words, quotas are requirements.

    Under-representation is determined by looking at the percentage of a population in the workforce or education system and then evaluating whether or not your college or workplace accurate represents that percentage. If your college/workplace has a smaller percentage, then that population is under-represented. You can handle this under-representation is several ways. You can do nothing, you can increase recruitment, consider race as a secondary factor in admissions or you can illegally set quotas among other things.

    As you can see, quotas come after determining under-representation - illegally.
    you are so keen to argue about hiring quotas not being used, you fail to acknowledge that the term quota is exactly how we determine representation.

    what you just described is a quota. In order to even figure out which groups are underrepresented, we calculate the quota

    Quota | Define Quota at Dictionary.com

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you acknowledge bias still exists yet you want to end the actions which are intended to eliminate such bias
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    Saying that one action is not the solution to the problem is not the same thing as saying take no action. Why is this confusing to you?
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Your link expresses more doubt than you do. However, for clarity, lets say there is a bases for it. What do you think that means in the real world?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Saying that one action is not the solution to the problem is not the same thing as saying take no action. Why is this confusing to you?
    you acknowledge bias exists and yet you prefer - make that advocate - for the elimination of the very actions which would serve to eliminate such bias

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    quota based systems will never be a part of the solution, that is just feel good nonsense.
    Quota systems are illegal. Feel good about that.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you are so keen to argue about hiring quotas not being used, you fail to acknowledge that the term quota is exactly how we determine representation.

    what you just described is a quota. In order to even figure out which groups are underrepresented, we calculate the quota

    Quota | Define Quota at Dictionary.com
    Quotas are illegal. The court specifically ruled there cannot be a quota system.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you are so keen to argue about hiring quotas not being used, you fail to acknowledge that the term quota is exactly how we determine representation.

    what you just described is a quota. In order to even figure out which groups are underrepresented, we calculate the quota

    Quota | Define Quota at Dictionary.com
    No, you don't understand what quota systems are when they are referred to in college admissions and employment decisions. A quota is a requirement set by a college or a workplace. Those are illegal. Moreover, if used, they can only be set AFTER under-representation is determined. This is not difficult. And you didn't need to link to the definition, I've already explained the definition several times to you. It's a REQUIREMENT. Determining under-representation has nothing to do with requirements, it has to do with what actually exists.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quotas are illegal. The court specifically ruled there cannot be a quota system.
    hiring quotas are sometimes ruled illegal (colleges find ways around the law), but the term quota is exactly how we determine which groups are underrepresented.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, you don't understand what quota systems are when they are referred to in college admissions and employment decisions. A quota is a requirement set by a college or a workplace. Those are illegal. Moreover, if used, they can only be set AFTER under-representation is determined. This is not difficult. And you didn't need to link to the definition, I've already explained the definition several times to you. It's a REQUIREMENT. Determining under-representation has nothing to do with requirements, it has to do with what actually exists.
    you are talking about hiring quotas.

    I am taking about using quotas to determine representation

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Your link expresses more doubt than you do. However, for clarity, lets say there is a bases for it. What do you think that means in the real world?
    It means nothing more than it says. It is not just this link but a standard which whose findings are repressed because of their nature. The publication of research like this is a sacrifice at the alter of political correctness. It is none-the-less true.

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