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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but this is the crux of the reason why i defend AA (altho i believe it should be revised to focus on helping those based on economic condition rather than race)

    our kids are the future. and i would prefer to have educated kids rather than drop outs my tax dollars will
    go toward to cover their policing, welfare, incarceration and appearances before the court

    and if they do not have supportive parents such as you and your wife, to cause them to recognize the need for a good education, to require them to attend school, to expect them to strive for academic success, then that impetus to succeed in school must come elsewhere - IF we actually want them to succeed in school

    this need for government intervention when students have lousy parents is the very issue that caused me to walk away from the libertarian party. we can continue to waste our precious tax dollars not educating these kids or we can actually make our education dollars well spent. AA efforts, to provide opportunities for the underclass, remain necessary. we should pray for the day when such efforts are no longer found needed
    I agree fully with your sentiment, but life and cynicism won't allow me to think government and money can really do anything about it.

    There is no alternative to good parenting and a family foundation to draw from. Very few have the moxie and inner makeup to overcome the lack of it, and those who do will succeed anyway with or without some governmental facade of policy or program.

    To me, you can point to a lack of family and proper parenting for every ill in every corner of the world.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Prove it. Using the law itself, I challenge you to prove your position.
    In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, in their book 'No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal', examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans. These results were after controlling for grades, scores, family background (legacy status) and athletic status (whether or not the student was a recruited athlete).[35]
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    Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bit of a no-brainer really. Asian-Americans are being overtly discriminated against.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I have a honest question for those that are holding tight to the idea that AA is racist. Why are you holding so tight to the idea that it's unfair to whites? With just a cursory review of the law, you'll see that it doesn't provide any benefit to one race over another. It's not a handout.
    Look at entry requirements for college. AA provides access for minorities with a much lesser resume of work than a white applicant at many colleges and universities.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, in their book 'No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal', examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans. These results were after controlling for grades, scores, family background (legacy status) and athletic status (whether or not the student was a recruited athlete).[35]
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    Affirmative action in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Bit of a no-brainer really. Asian-Americans are being overtly discriminated against.
    I see you didn't understand the question. Here, I'll add links to the executive orders to point you in the right direction:

    Executive Order 10925

    Executive Orders

    Here's a few more items for you to peruse:

    Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers

    EEO Laws

    Trying using the above from the actual law to substantiate your claims.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Look at entry requirements for college. AA provides access for minorities with a much lesser resume of work than a white applicant at many colleges and universities.
    Again, how colleges judge their submissions has nothing to do with AA. It's the schools themselves that create those requirements.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    I see you didn't understand the question. Here, I'll add links to the executive orders to point you in the right direction:

    Executive Order 10925

    Executive Orders

    Here's a few more items for you to peruse:

    Federal Laws Prohibiting Job Discrimination: Questions And Answers

    EEO Laws

    Trying using the above from the actual law to substantiate your claims.
    I really don't care. What I posted is part of AA and it is clearly discriminatory. Unless you can prove that what I posted does not discriminate, which you can't, I am no brain-dead enough to dance around with you on this. Find some other sucker!

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    I really don't care. What I posted is part of AA and it is clearly discriminatory. Unless you can prove that what I posted does not discriminate, which you can't, I am no brain-dead enough to dance around with you on this. Find some other sucker!
    The bolded part is what I'm fascinated by. Even given the correct information, you're choosing to remain ignorance and hold tight to your viewpoint. Even in the face of the facts being provided to you.

    And what you posted has nothing to do with AA.

    Just to add, Asian Americans benefit from AA just as much as blacks, Latinos, women, men, disabled, etc. Everyone benefits from AA.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Again, how colleges judge their submissions has nothing to do with AA. It's the schools themselves that create those requirements.

    shhhhhhhh theres a couple people here that dont want to know the facts they will simply ignore them because they totally make thier argument look stupid.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Look at entry requirements for college. AA provides access for minorities with a much lesser resume of work than a white applicant at many colleges and universities.
    Again, you're assuming a criteria that really isn't the criteria. As noted earlier, even among white males, the best GPA's and SATs may not be the one's accepted. GPA's and SAT's are only cut off scores. After that, more subjective standards are applied, regardless of race.

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