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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    You've got an affirmative action (he did say he had benefited from AA) president whose intellect and academic achievements are in question and who will not release his academic record. At least that gives credence to the other poster.
    We do know something about Obama's academic record. Namely, he was president of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude, which means that he was near the top of his class.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    You've got an affirmative action (he did say he had benefited from AA) president whose intellect and academic achievements are in question and who will not release his academic record. At least that gives credence to the other poster.
    Again, another poster who has zero understand of what AA actual does. Do you also question all accomplishments of white women who rose in wealth, power and scholastic achievement because they've benefitted from AA?
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    We do know something about Obama's academic record. Namely, he was president of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude, which means that he was near the top of his class.
    certainly indicative of an AA admission* that exhibits the benefit of the AA program


    this assumes that Obama's was an AA admission
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    You've got an affirmative action (he did say he had benefited from AA) president whose intellect and academic achievements are in question and who will not release his academic record. At least that gives credence to the other poster.

    Not really. As they accepted one president of one race who did not met the standard, why would they be concerned about another president of another race that they don't know if he did or didn't? What do you suppose their motivation would be?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Well, from what I understand we're all pretty much homosapiens, so not sure how race plays a role. Now, what AA actually does is provide a system that attempts to diminish the effects fo cultural disadvantages. This was the reason for AA, and it just so happens that blacks were the target of these cultural disadvantages. We've already put to bed the notion that blacks can't learn as well as any other color of people. We already know they can. However, there is some truth (As much as it pains me to say it) to the idea that certain cultures are at a disadvantage over others in Western societies. Now as one poster already pointed out, AA is really just a band aid to a much more significant, and deeply rooted problem in American society; and that is, that black kids in this nation are subjected to Fatherless homes, rampant crime, drug and alcohol abuse, and a whole host of other things. The question is, does AA help those stuck in such a situation and is there any evidence of it actually helping? My understanding is that most blacks accepted into universities actually earned their way to at least be thinking about university to begin with. For whatever reasons they managed to get educated enough to consider post high-school educations. In this sense, then yes, AA needs to go away because those that have made it that far should not be discriminated against, no MATTER what color you are. At that juncture, admissions should be looking at test scores, aptitude, and any other measure the higher education institution uses to grade potential incoming students, but race should not be one of them.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Again, another poster who has zero understand of what AA actual does. Do you also question all accomplishments of white women who rose in wealth, power and scholastic achievement because they've benefitted from AA?
    I would question anybody who benefited from AA. Btw, AA gives preference to some groups over others. That's what it does.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    I would question anybody who benefited from AA. Btw, AA gives preference to some groups over others. That's what it does.
    So you would question, for example, Justice Clarence Thomas?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    I would question anybody who benefited from AA. Btw, AA gives preference to some groups over others. That's what it does.
    Prove it. Using the law itself, I challenge you to prove your position.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So you would question, for example, Justice Clarence Thomas?
    Better yet, Sarah Palin?
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    I have a honest question for those that are holding tight to the idea that AA is racist. Why are you holding so tight to the idea that it's unfair to whites? With just a cursory review of the law, you'll see that it doesn't provide any benefit to one race over another. It's not a handout.
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