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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Do we know about Obama's GPA?
    what was it?
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think affirmative actions served a useful purpose at one time, but I think it is time for it to go away.
    Have you been to an inner city school lately?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Have you been to an inner city school lately?
    Have you been to an inner city school PTA meeting? Hardly anyone there, and not a dad in the building. THERE is the problem.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what was it?
    Nobody knows, but still a lot of people tell us he's a genius. You see, he would have to release them. But then he probably doesn't want to floor anybody with his academic prowess.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Nobody knows, but still a lot of people tell us he's a genius. You see, he would have to release them. But then he probably doesn't want to floor anybody with his academic prowess.
    but there is at least one poster who insists that Obama was without the grades/scores to have been admitted to the university he entered
    how can that be established if we do not know his grades/scores
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Have you been to an inner city school PTA meeting? Hardly anyone there, and not a dad in the building. THERE is the problem.
    you nailed it
    when my wife was teaching at a low income elementary school, with half the students ESL, she and the other teachers were required to join/pay PTA dues so that they would have attendees at the PTA events
    to be fair, some of the ESL moms explained that their work hours prevented them from attending and others insisted they would come but had no transportation (the school was two blocks from the public bus stop)
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you nailed it
    when my wife was teaching at a low income elementary school, with half the students ESL, she and the other teachers were required to join/pay PTA dues so that they would have attendees at the PTA events
    to be fair, some of the ESL moms explained that their work hours prevented them from attending and others insisted they would come but had no transportation (the school was two blocks from the public bus stop)
    Your wife I'm sure knows how relatively easy (and I'll bet enjoyable) it is to teach a kid with involved parents, versus what a nightmare it can be to teach a kid whose parents couldn't care less.

    My kids do GREAT in school. They're not geniuses; they have parents who demand they take it seriously and applaud and support their efforts every day. (They play select sports, too, which I believe fosters confidence and accountability just as much.)

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Your wife I'm sure knows how relatively easy (and I'll bet enjoyable) it is to teach a kid with involved parents, versus what a nightmare it can be to teach a kid whose parents couldn't care less.

    My kids do GREAT in school. They're not geniuses; they have parents who demand they take it seriously and applaud and support their efforts every day. (They play select sports, too, which I believe fosters confidence and accountability just as much.)
    but this is the crux of the reason why i defend AA (altho i believe it should be revised to focus on helping those based on economic condition rather than race)

    our kids are the future. and i would prefer to have educated kids rather than drop outs my tax dollars will
    go toward to cover their policing, welfare, incarceration and appearances before the court

    and if they do not have supportive parents such as you and your wife, to cause them to recognize the need for a good education, to require them to attend school, to expect them to strive for academic success, then that impetus to succeed in school must come elsewhere - IF we actually want them to succeed in school

    this need for government intervention when students have lousy parents is the very issue that caused me to walk away from the libertarian party. we can continue to waste our precious tax dollars not educating these kids or we can actually make our education dollars well spent. AA efforts, to provide opportunities for the underclass, remain necessary. we should pray for the day when such efforts are no longer found needed
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but there is at least one poster who insists that Obama was without the grades/scores to have been admitted to the university he entered
    how can that be established if we do not know his grades/scores
    You've got an affirmative action (he did say he had benefited from AA) president whose intellect and academic achievements are in question and who will not release his academic record. At least that gives credence to the other poster.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    Do we know about Obama's GPA?
    Does it matter? Bush's didn't. He was still president, and we knew.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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