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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More BS-we are talking about law schools and when a bunch of blacks with grossly inferior numbers constantly get into schools that constantly reject whites with much higher scores the only obvious answer is race

    Legacies-give me a friggin break

    since you apparently know almost nothing about law school admissions, they are far more numbers oriented than college. athletic prowess doesn't cut it. legacy admissions are far far less likely (the founder of the STANFORD LAW REVIEW and on its board of governors didn't get in but he managed to make the law review at a fairy equal law school)
    You are deliberately side stepping the point. I gave you a situation not dependent on race. It happens. Because it happens, you can't believe GPA and SAT mean that much. There are other standards. And race can't be the reason, by law.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Is this such a bad thing? I believe in Brown v. Board of Education, which stated that no decision on education can be made because of race. In 2003, the Grutter case established a "racial preference" in university admissions, which, IMHO, is unconstitutional. Most likely, SCOTUS is going to revisit that case, and reverse that decision. Thus, the spirit of Brown v. Board of Education will be upheld.

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    Race,and sex should never be a factor in getting a job,going to school or anything else.Affirmative action should be illegal.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Race,and sex should never be a factor in getting a job,going to school or anything else.Affirmative action should be illegal.
    if we lived in a society where one's race or gender did not cost them opportunities, then i would agree with you
    but because we do not yet reside in that society, AA is needed to offset the existing bias
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Race,and sex should never be a factor in getting a job,going to school or anything else.Affirmative action should be illegal.
    It will happen with or without the law. The law says you can't discriminate due to race, religion or gender. Remove the law, and it will still happen. Make a law saying we can pay no attention to either, and it will still happen. As it is now, at least we can challenge those who break the law.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, people break the law. But when do we blame the law for those who break it?
    this basic common sense will go ignored along with other facts. What people actually dont like (myself included) are people breaking the law or making up thier own system that has NOTHING to do with AA/EO. I have no clue how people blame AA/EO in these cases. Its like blaming child molestation on all religious figures or judging all cops by a bad one. Its stupid, irrational, dishonest and very narrow sighted.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I don't know what Obama's GPA was, nor do you. That aside, what he had was an interesting life story. Raised by a single mom and his grandparents, lived some years in Indonesia, a record of public advocacy, worked for several years after graduation for interesting employers. Apparently the application process worked pretty well, given that he wound up being elected president of the law review and graduating magna cum laude.
    wow, Obama slurpage at its best

    what we do know is that BHO did not graduate from columbia with even distinction or cum laude meaning he had below a B+ average and friends of his told the WSJ he wasn't much of a student.

    and saying the process worked well is moronic based on what he did in school

    My freshman roommate at Yale was said to be the most academically qualified guy in my class. He had a perfect SAT score at age 13, he graduated with the highest GPA of one of the top three prep schools in the country-his GPA was the highest in the schools 100+ year history. He won two national math exam competitions-including one that was open to college students when he was 15 getting the first perfect score in one's history. He never made it through freshman year due to drugs

    Using your "logic" the admissions committee should not have let him in to the school

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow, Obama slurpage at its best

    what we do know is that BHO did not graduate from columbia with even distinction or cum laude meaning he had below a B+ average and friends of his told the WSJ he wasn't much of a student.

    and saying the process worked well is moronic based on what he did in school

    My freshman roommate at Yale was said to be the most academically qualified guy in my class. He had a perfect SAT score at age 13, he graduated with the highest GPA of one of the top three prep schools in the country-his GPA was the highest in the schools 100+ year history. He won two national math exam competitions-including one that was open to college students when he was 15 getting the first perfect score in one's history. He never made it through freshman year due to drugs

    Using your "logic" the admissions committee should not have let him in to the school
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow, Obama slurpage at its best

    what we do know is that BHO did not graduate from columbia with even distinction or cum laude meaning he had below a B+ average and friends of his told the WSJ he wasn't much of a student.

    and saying the process worked well is moronic based on what he did in school

    My freshman roommate at Yale was said to be the most academically qualified guy in my class. He had a perfect SAT score at age 13, he graduated with the highest GPA of one of the top three prep schools in the country-his GPA was the highest in the schools 100+ year history. He won two national math exam competitions-including one that was open to college students when he was 15 getting the first perfect score in one's history. He never made it through freshman year due to drugs

    Using your "logic" the admissions committee should not have let him in to the school
    Bush was a c student. Not only that, by your standard, he'd have never gotten into any prestigeous school. His grades and scores were too low to qualify. But no one can challenge him or do anything for the qualified people he pushed out.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush was a c student. Not only that, by your standard, he'd have never gotten into any prestigeous school. His grades and scores were too low to qualify. But no one can challenge him or do anything for the qualified people he pushed out.
    quit refuting them with facts
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Bush was a c student. Not only that, by your standard, he'd have never gotten into any prestigeous school. His grades and scores were too low to qualify. But no one can challenge him or do anything for the qualified people he pushed out.
    Do we know about Obama's GPA?

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