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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    wrong-I saw blacks with 3.2 GPAs and 650 LSAT scores and almost no extra curricular records get into Harvard law ahead of whites with 3.6 GPAs and 740 LSATs who had varsity letters, or major involvement in other campus activities
    Again, those only count in initial cut off. 3.2 qualifies in most places, even Ivy league. SAT means very little to most. After the initial cut off, they are disregarded. So say we have two while males. One has a 3.2 GPA and 650 SAT. The other has 3.6 GPA and 740 SAT. But the school chooses the one with the 3.2 and 650. It happens. Only you can't challenge it because it wasn't due to race or gender or religion. Maybe it was legacy, or they liked him, or his family gave money, or wrote a very good essay, or had an important recommendation. Any number of things could have been the reason. You assume it was race.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    Again, those only count in initial cut off. 3.2 qualifies in most places, even Ivy league. SAT means very little to most. After the initial cut off, they are disregarded. So say we have two while males. One has a 3.2 GPA and 650 SAT. The other has 3.6 GPA and 740 SAT. But the school chooses the one with the 3.2 and 650. It happens. Only you can't challenge it because it wasn't due to race or gender or religion. Maybe it was legacy, or they liked him, or his family gave money, or wrote a very good essay, or had an important recommendation. Any number of things could have been the reason. You assume it was race.
    More BS-we are talking about law schools and when a bunch of blacks with grossly inferior numbers constantly get into schools that constantly reject whites with much higher scores the only obvious answer is race

    Legacies-give me a friggin break

    since you apparently know almost nothing about law school admissions, they are far more numbers oriented than college. athletic prowess doesn't cut it. legacy admissions are far far less likely (the founder of the STANFORD LAW REVIEW and on its board of governors didn't get in but he managed to make the law review at a fairy equal law school)

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    More BS-we are talking about law schools and when a bunch of blacks with grossly inferior numbers constantly get into schools that constantly reject whites with much higher scores the only obvious answer is race

    Legacies-give me a friggin break

    since you apparently know almost nothing about law school admissions, they are far more numbers oriented than college. athletic prowess doesn't cut it. legacy admissions are far far less likely (the founder of the STANFORD LAW REVIEW and on its board of governors didn't get in but he managed to make the law review at a fairy equal law school)
    Perhaps they take into account the fact that some applicants had fewer advantages in life and thus their true abilities might not be fully apparent in test scores? Maybe they take into account what applicants had to overcome in order to achieve the scores that they got?

    From the horses mouth:

    "What are the range of LSAT scores and GPAs of last year's admitted applicants?
    Admission decisions are based on the Admission Committee's experienced judgment applied to individual cases, and many factors are taken into account. Each application is given a thorough review, taking account of all available information. Because GPA and LSAT scores alone do not fully or adequately summarize information about individuals that is important to admission decisions, these "numbers" often prove poor predictors of admission decisions on individual applications. At no point on the GPA or LSAT scales are the chances of admission to Harvard Law School 0 or 100 percent. As reported to the ABA, the 75/25 percentile GPAs for the class entering in 2006 were 3.95/3.72 and the 75/25 percentile LSATs were 175/169."

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    Perhaps they take into account the fact that some applicants had fewer advantages in life and thus their true abilities might not be fully apparent in test scores? Maybe they take into account what applicants had to overcome in order to achieve the scores that they got?

    From the horses mouth:

    "What are the range of LSAT scores and GPAs of last year's admitted applicants?
    Admission decisions are based on the Admission Committee's experienced judgment applied to individual cases, and many factors are taken into account. Each application is given a thorough review, taking account of all available information. Because GPA and LSAT scores alone do not fully or adequately summarize information about individuals that is important to admission decisions, these "numbers" often prove poor predictors of admission decisions on individual applications. At no point on the GPA or LSAT scales are the chances of admission to Harvard Law School 0 or 100 percent. As reported to the ABA, the 75/25 percentile GPAs for the class entering in 2006 were 3.95/3.72 and the 75/25 percentile LSATs were 175/169."

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    you fail again-I saw dozens of black applicants whose parents were wealthy get breaks over far smarter and poorer white kids

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Perhaps they take into account the fact that some applicants had fewer advantages in life and thus their true abilities might not be fully apparent in test scores? Maybe they take into account what applicants had to overcome in order to achieve the scores that they got?

    From the horses mouth:

    "What are the range of LSAT scores and GPAs of last year's admitted applicants?
    Admission decisions are based on the Admission Committee's experienced judgment applied to individual cases, and many factors are taken into account. Each application is given a thorough review, taking account of all available information. Because GPA and LSAT scores alone do not fully or adequately summarize information about individuals that is important to admission decisions, these "numbers" often prove poor predictors of admission decisions on individual applications. At no point on the GPA or LSAT scales are the chances of admission to Harvard Law School 0 or 100 percent. As reported to the ABA, the 75/25 percentile GPAs for the class entering in 2006 were 3.95/3.72 and the 75/25 percentile LSATs were 175/169."

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    tell me what Obama had with his less than a 3.2 GPA (remember 3.72 was in the bottom quarter) that merited entrance? this ought to be fun

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    you fail again-I saw dozens of black applicants whose parents were wealthy get breaks over far smarter and poorer white kids
    You did? You saw their highschool transcripts and LSAT scores? How'd that happen?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    You did? You saw their highschool transcripts and LSAT scores? How'd that happen?
    these were guys I used to spend a lot of time hanging with and drinking with-and HS transcripts don't matter when applying to law school

    tell me how a Guy with a less than 3.2 got into a school that rejected hundreds of white guys with 3.7 or so GPAs from good schools. when the Harvard Dean of Admissions came to Yale she basically said if you aren't at least a 3.8 you had less than a 1-15 chance of getting in

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell me what Obama had with his less than a 3.2 GPA (remember 3.72 was in the bottom quarter) that merited entrance? this ought to be fun
    I don't know what Obama's GPA was, nor do you. That aside, what he had was an interesting life story. Raised by a single mom and his grandparents, lived some years in Indonesia, a record of public advocacy, worked for several years after graduation for interesting employers. Apparently the application process worked pretty well, given that he wound up being elected president of the law review and graduating magna cum laude.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    these were guys I used to spend a lot of time hanging with and drinking with-and HS transcripts don't matter when applying to law school

    tell me how a Guy with a less than 3.2 got into a school that rejected hundreds of white guys with 3.7 or so GPAs from good schools. when the Harvard Dean of Admissions came to Yale she basically said if you aren't at least a 3.8 you had less than a 1-15 chance of getting in
    Eh, I meant college transcripts. So you're hanging out drinking and the topic comes around to, "hey, what was your college GPA?" Really?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    you fail again-I saw dozens of black applicants whose parents were wealthy get breaks over far smarter and poorer white kids
    The issue wasn't really a matter of them being black, but them being wealthy. Money can buy an education long before it buys intelligence.
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