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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, people break the law. But when do we blame the law for those who break it?
    when we legalize something that is easily used to conceal illegal actions we have problems. for example (no I am not going to try to find it again) I posted an article that discussed CURRENT AA schemes as being de facto quotas. (like Harvard Law giving black applicants 130 points on their LSAT [when it was on an 800 point scale] and .5 on their GPA)

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when we legalize something that is easily used to conceal illegal actions we have problems. for example (no I am not going to try to find it again) I posted an article that discussed CURRENT AA schemes as being de facto quotas. (like Harvard Law giving black applicants 130 points on their LSAT [when it was on an 800 point scale] and .5 on their GPA)
    Please, all kinds of things fit that description. Second, there is really no evidence that white males have suffered, are being left out, are losing jobs or college seats. It just isn't happening. Even conservative leaders who don't like affirmative action admit this. Pat Buchanan while acknowledging this some years ago said that we needed to ban it not because what you think is happening is happening, but merely because you think it. Now think about that for a minute.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Please, all kinds of things fit that description. Second, there is really no evidence that white males have suffered, are being left out, are losing jobs or college seats. It just isn't happening. Even conservative leaders who don't like affirmative action admit this. Pat Buchanan while acknowledging this some years ago said that we needed to ban it not because what you think is happening is happening, but merely because you think it. Now think about that for a minute.
    I Know dozens of white males who were rejected from top law and medical schools in favor of far less qualified blacks.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

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    I Know dozens of white males who were rejected from top law and medical schools in favor of far less qualified blacks.
    You can't know they were less qualified, or even what the qualifications were. Understand, test scores and grades are only used, even among white males, as an initial cut off. After that, qualifications become much more subjective, even when it it is only between white males. Few understand this.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can't know they were less qualified, or even what the qualifications were. Understand, test scores and grades are only used, even among white males, as an initial cut off. After that, qualifications become much more subjective, even when it it is only between white males. Few understand this.

    horsecrap, they all went to college with me.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    horsecrap, they all went to college with me.
    Not sue what you mean, but what I speak is the truth. Without knowing the race, I've sat in on selection committees. Scores and grades only matter during the initial cut off. After that, everything else is a subjective review. You really don't know how it works.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not sue what you mean, but what I speak is the truth. Without knowing the race, I've sat in on selection committees. Scores and grades only matter during the initial cut off. After that, everything else is a subjective review. You really don't know how it works.
    really? how do you know that. I was a varsity coach at an Ivy league university. I sure knew how admissions worked and my brother was an admissions officer at Yale

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really? how do you know that. I was a varsity coach at an Ivy league university. I sure knew how admissions worked and my brother was an admissions officer at Yale
    If you did, you would know what I'm saying is correct.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you did, you would know what I'm saying is correct.
    wrong-I saw blacks with 3.2 GPAs and 650 LSAT scores and almost no extra curricular records get into Harvard law ahead of whites with 3.6 GPAs and 740 LSATs who had varsity letters, or major involvement in other campus activities

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I Know dozens of white males who were rejected from top law and medical schools in favor of far less qualified blacks.
    and legacy admissions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legacy_admissions

    of course, folks like Turtle approve of them loudly and strongly because they benefit themselves and their own kind. Race - not so much because he and his fail to benefit.
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