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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    That's not what a quota is. A quota is a hiring requirement, in this case. You can't "use a quota" to determine anything. Representation is a simple statistic. A quota is "you must hire 7 Latinos, 8 blacks, 4 Asians, and 3 gays." And those are, as has been stated many times in this thread, NOT USED.
    All well and good. However if you have 200 employees and your geographical demographic says you have 3.5% Latinos, 4% asians, and 1.5% gays in your area you damn sure better have at least that many hired or the first time a disparate impact civil litigation comes up, youre stuck.

    Disparate impact civil litigation and the EEOC are ensuring a de facto quota system while de jure, it does not exist.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    This is what I post in all these threads, AA/EO is 100% needed and 100% fine.

    The problem is with people/businesses/ institutions making up there own system and than falsely labeling it AA/EO. The fact remains it is not.

    AA/EE benefits ALL of us and thats a fact. If you come across some system that doesn't EQUALLY benefit us all, guess what, its not AA/EO.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    All well and good. However if you have 200 employees and your geographical demographic says you have 3.5% Latinos, 4% asians, and 1.5% gays in your area you damn sure better have at least that many hired or the first time a disparate impact civil litigation comes up, youre stuck.

    Disparate impact civil litigation and the EEOC are ensuring a de facto quota system while de jure, it does not exist.
    false. All you have to do is show that they we not most qualified, and that your qualifications do not consider race. That is really all there is to it.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    That's not what a quota is. A quota is a hiring requirement, in this case. You can't "use a quota" to determine anything. Representation is a simple statistic. A quota is "you must hire 7 Latinos, 8 blacks, 4 Asians, and 3 gays." And those are, as has been stated many times in this thread, NOT USED.
    you don't get to reinvent the meaning of words. I linked to the definition of quota and it agrees with what I am saying.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    All well and good. However if you have 200 employees and your geographical demographic says you have 3.5% Latinos, 4% asians, and 1.5% gays in your area you damn sure better have at least that many hired or the first time a disparate impact civil litigation comes up, youre stuck.

    Disparate impact civil litigation and the EEOC are ensuring a de facto quota system while de jure, it does not exist.
    That's not how it works. You can't prove disparate impact simply by showing that a company's work force doesn't match regional demographics.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That's not how it works. You can't prove disparate impact simply by showing that a company's work force doesn't match regional demographics.
    one problem with disparate impact is the courts require the employer to justify why his hiring practice created the disparate impact by proving he is innocent, not the other way around.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Quotas are illegal. Have been since 78.

    Sorry.

    lots of illegal things still occur with a facade covering the illegality being offered up.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    All well and good. However if you have 200 employees and your geographical demographic says you have 3.5% Latinos, 4% asians, and 1.5% gays in your area you damn sure better have at least that many hired or the first time a disparate impact civil litigation comes up, youre stuck.

    Disparate impact civil litigation and the EEOC are ensuring a de facto quota system while de jure, it does not exist.
    nah its more complicated than that. You normally have to show that a neutrally facial hiring practice has a disparate impact on a minority group and that NF hiring practice is not really relevant to the job

    example, requiring a law degree might well have a disparate impact on black males but its a reasonable requirement if you are hiring assistant district attorneys. On the other hand, requiring college degrees for manual labor would have a disparate impact on black males even if its facially neutral but you cannot justify that requirement as a job necessity.

    proving disparate impact also requires comparisons of qualified members of the work force for the job in question etc

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lots of illegal things still occur with a facade covering the illegality being offered up.
    Yes, people break the law. But when do we blame the law for those who break it?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, people break the law. But when do we blame the law for those who break it?
    and of course you were just one more liberal judge from allowing open quotas to be the law.

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