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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Percentages isn't a better word.

    As for explain why, wouldn't a reasonable explanation be that none qualified applied? Having to explain is not the same as mandating a quota, wouldn't you agree?
    Since you missed it: "Edited to add: I'm not going to go 'round and 'round with semantics on this for you or Tet. Y'all can call it whatever you want. Bottom line, it WAS at its core a quota system whether one could legally call it that or not. "

    I feel as if I'm being treated as someone who was against AA when it was originally implemented. I was not. I was all for it, and did not resent the forms we had to fill out one iota. However, I'm annoyed to be treated as if I am a braindead child when I tell folks what was mandated and how we had to implement it, and am told in return that I basically didn't really understand what was the actual purpose of the forms I had to fill out.

    Believe what you will guys, I'm outta here. I'm not angry, just tired of playing semantical roulette.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    No, it doesn't. That has nothing to do with Affirmative action.
    The case in question, in fact it does. To quote the source article:

    n 1997, the Texas legislature passed the "Top 10 Percent Law," which mandates that Texas high school seniors in the top 10 percent of their class be automatically admitted to any Texas state university. In addition to that policy, the school considers race along with several other factors for admission. Fisher did not qualify for automatic admission. Instead she competed with other non-top-10-state applicants, some of whom were entitled to receive racial preference. She was denied admission and argued it was because of her race.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The case in question, in fact it does. To quote the source article:



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    This is the policy of the university, not a part of AA.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    by the way, the ruling was 5-4, liberal justices had no problem with the quota system.
    Which is why the addition of Judge Alito to SCOTUS makes such a difference.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Since you missed it: "Edited to add: I'm not going to go 'round and 'round with semantics on this for you or Tet. Y'all can call it whatever you want. Bottom line, it WAS at its core a quota system whether one could legally call it that or not. "

    I feel as if I'm being treated as someone who was against AA when it was originally implemented. I was not. I was all for it, and did not resent the forms we had to fill out one iota. However, I'm annoyed to be treated as if I am a braindead child when I tell folks what was mandated and how we had to implement it, and am told in return that I basically didn't really understand what was the actual purpose of the forms I had to fill out.

    Believe what you will guys, I'm outta here. I'm not angry, just tired of playing semantical roulette.
    we're not playing semantics. this is the part of importance:

    As for explain why, wouldn't a reasonable explanation be that none qualified applied? Having to explain is not the same as mandating a quota, wouldn't you agree?

    All I'm trying to do is clarify, and suggest that asking for explanation is not the same as saying you have to have x-number. This is not semantics, but a clear difference.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Which is why the addition of Judge Alito to SCOTUS makes such a difference.
    5-4 not to have quotas. Would 6-3 voting the same way really make a difference?

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    5-4 indicates that the "law" is pretty subjective.
    It was early, and it was a question before the court. Then and everyone case afterwards has upheld that decision. You would have right to complain if what you believe wasn't law of the land.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Just curious, but do you guys come across longtime unemployed minorities on a regular basis and think to yourself, "Gee, I wonder why THAT person doesn't have a really good job"?
    No, most of the longtime unemployed people I have gotten to know are white. And, when the subject came up, I didn't wonder, I asked. The answer was usually that their job was dissolved or sent overseas, or the company they worked for was bought up and went under. And since jobs are disappearing a lot faster than they are being created, a lot of people are competing for very few jobs, especially in fields that tend to be disappearing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    That is about the weirdest thing I've heard on these threads. There are arguments against the findings of IQ by race which are based on 'cultural bias' but I have never heard this.
    IQ was discounted as a worthwhile measure of intelligence over a decade ago. It was found to be extremely indicative of a person's upbringing in the middle class and not much else. People with higher IQs just scored better on a test. IQ scores have not been found to correspond with raw learning and reasoning ability. Your controversial science isn't controversial because it's contrary to "political correctness". It's controversial because it's contrary to scientific correctness.

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the fact is, what you wrote has no bearing on the facts. affirmative action at its core uses quotas to determine which groups are even being underrepresented.
    That's not what a quota is. A quota is a hiring requirement, in this case. You can't "use a quota" to determine anything. Representation is a simple statistic. A quota is "you must hire 7 Latinos, 8 blacks, 4 Asians, and 3 gays." And those are, as has been stated many times in this thread, NOT USED.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    5-4 not to have quotas. Would 6-3 voting the same way really make a difference?
    Alito replaced Sandra Day O'Connor. So THIS vote will also be 5-4, but the other way. That's what I meant.
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    Re: Affirmative Action - Could Justice Alito's Vote Change the Game?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Alito replaced Sandra Day O'Connor. So THIS vote will also be 5-4, but the other way. That's what I meant.
    I doubt that. Alito isn't liberal is he?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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