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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    And here's an amendment to the bill too

    The qualified medical professional performing fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B shall determine whether a fetal ultrasound image can be obtained without the use of a transvaginal ultrasound or other ultrasound method requiring vaginal penetration. The qualified medical professional performing fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B shall not perform an ultrasound requiring vaginal penetration without the prior written consent of the pregnant woman. If the qualified medical professional performing the fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B determines that a fetal ultrasound image can only be obtained with an ultrasound requiring vaginal penetration and the pregnant woman declines to provide written consent to an ultrasound requiring vaginal penetration, then the provisions of this section related to performance of fetal ultrasound imaging shall not apply and fetal ultrasound imaging for the purpose of determining fetal age shall not be required.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    UPDATE:

    UPDATE 2:45 P.M.:

    Gov. Bob McDonnell this afternoon said he opposes requiring Virginia women to undergo a mandatory transvaginal ultrasound before having an abortion.

    Having reviewed the current proposal: "I believe there is no need to direct by statute that further invasive ultrasound procedures be done," the governor said in a statement.


    "Mandating an invasive procedure in order to give informed consent is not a proper role for the state. No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure."

    McDonnell said he has recommended to the General Assembly a series of amendments to the bill "to explicitly state that no woman in Virginia will have to undergo a transvaginal ultrasound involuntarily.""

    I am asking the General Assembly to state in this legislation that only a transabdominal, or external, ultrasound will be required to satisfy the requirements to determine gestational age," McDonnell says in the statement. "Should a doctor determine that another form of ultrasound may be necessary to provide the necessary images and information that will be an issue for the doctor and the patient. The government will have no role in that medical decision," it reads.

    McDonnell has tempered his earlier support for the ultrasound measure.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    That's great. He should check the Virginia legislature website because there already was an ammendment to the bill, 7 days ago, stating exactly what he said.

    Plus, the protesters should move over the Virginia Planned Parenthood offices since they just released information that they perform transvaginal ultrasounds as normal procedure during early first trimester abortions.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    good to see the anti-Abortionists backing off this disgusting idea.

    privacy & liberty rules the day.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    ..Plus, the protesters should move over the Virginia Planned Parenthood offices since they just released information that they perform transvaginal ultrasounds as normal procedure during early first trimester abortions.
    PP doesn't require transvaginal ultrasounds, under penalty of prison, for purely ideological reasons.

    that is what our major beef was, and it looks like the government is backing down.

    good move.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    PP doesn't require transvaginal ultrasounds, under penalty of prison, for purely ideological reasons.

    that is what our major beef was, and it looks like the government is backing down.

    good move.

    PP does it because it's a required medical procedure and won't perform an abortion without one done.

    Pro-choice groups have been pushing back against a Virginia bill that would require women to undergo ultrasounds before an abortion procedure. The complaints are the ultrasounds are needlessly invasive, not medically necessary, and would be forced on women seeking abortions, even if they don’t want them.

    This criticism misses one crucial point: Planned Parenthood policy already requires ultrasounds before abortion procedures.


    “That’s just the medical standard,” said Adrienne Schreiber, an official at Planned Parenthood’s Washington, D.C., regional office. “To confirm the gestational age of the pregnancy, before any procedure is done, you do an ultrasound.”

    According to Schreiber, Planned Parenthood does require women to give signed consent for abortion procedures, including the ultrasound. But if the women won’t consent to the ultrasound, the abortion cannot take place, according to the group’s national standards.
    Planned Parenthood Says it Won’t Do Abortions Without Ultrasounds Commentary Magazine

    So it looks like this law merely codified a medically necessary procedure.

    You just can't make up the level of bull**** in this thread crying about something that was all ready required being wrong...
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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize that there are many types of ultra sound procedures yes?

    There is a distinct difference between the ultrasound procedure that uses the device upon the external portions of the stomach and one that uses a device to enter a woman's vagina and do it.

    That's like saying that because a doctor uses a rubber glove when rubbing the glands under your throat then its entirely equivalent to a doctor using a rubber glove to jab his finger up your ass because in both cases they happen to be using a rubber glove.
    No, it means you and everyone of the others crying about this were dead wrong. If they refuse the vaginal ultrasound, they get no abortion and have to wait till they're further along to use the transdermal sonogram. Pretty much the entire basis of your position has been completely, utterly, and totally shot.
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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No, emotional idiocy won the day. It was an all ready required process. The law was rather pointless then, since.. YOU HAD TO DO IT ANYWAY. So all the whining about violating women's rights was bunk.
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