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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so 1/3 always and 44 regularly. my wife has always had to get a pap smear to get birth control. which she describes as a bit less fun than a sonogram.

    and the public outcry is.... nowhere.

    because this isn't really about the procedure. It's about abortion.
    Is it a government mandated unnecessary test or is it the clinic's policy? Your wife has the choice to go to a clinic that does not require it. Women in Virginia will not have a choice to avoid an intrusive procedure.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Is it a government mandated unnecessary test or is it the clinic's policy? Your wife has the choice to go to a clinic that does not require it. Women in Virginia will not have a choice to avoid an intrusive procedure.

    And women in Virginia have the choice to travel to another state to have their abortion, or they can choose to have the ultrasound and abortion, or they can choose to have the ultrasound and no abortion, or they can choose to not have an abortion. Sounds like they have plenty of choices.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by taxigirl View Post
    Is it a government mandated unnecessary test or is it the clinic's policy? Your wife has the choice to go to a clinic that does not require it.
    actually since I live in Okinawa and have no option other than military medicine.... but generally you are correct; unless it's an insurance thing, which only makes for reason #1,485 why we should have individual insurance policies for healthcare like we do for everything else...

    Women in Virginia will not have a choice to avoid an intrusive procedure.
    sure they will. all they have to do to avoid having a sonogram is not have an abortion. the abortion itself will be far more intrusive.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I'm sure we can both find studies that show our side is right.
    Please post more as I would read the studies.

    The Ultrasound study that Mrvicchio referred to in his post used women who were "at risk" for abortions.
    I have no idea what criteria they used to determine which women were "at risk."

    Ultrasound Policy

    In the 3 studies I posted the women who were in the studies were actively seeking abortions and the ultrasounds did not change these women's minds. They still followed through with their abortions.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Patients who have a surgical abortion generally come in for two appointments. At the first visit we do a health assessment, perform all the necessary lab work, and do an ultrasound. This visit generally takes about an hour. At the second visit, the procedure takes place. This visit takes about an hour as well. For out of town patients for whom it would be difficult to make two trips to our office, weíre able to schedule both the initial appointment and the procedure on the same day.
    The horror!!!!!!

    Guess who this information comes from? The Virginia League of Planned Parenthood.

    Those bastards! Already doing these invasive and unnecessary ultrasounds prior to legislation making them do it.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The horror!!!!!!

    Guess who this information comes from? The Virginia League of Planned Parenthood.

    Those bastards! Already doing these invasive and unnecessary ultrasounds prior to legislation making them do it.
    You realize that there are many types of ultra sound procedures yes?

    There is a distinct difference between the ultrasound procedure that uses the device upon the external portions of the stomach and one that uses a device to enter a woman's vagina and do it.

    That's like saying that because a doctor uses a rubber glove when rubbing the glands under your throat then its entirely equivalent to a doctor using a rubber glove to jab his finger up your ass because in both cases they happen to be using a rubber glove.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You realize that there are many types of ultra sound procedures yes?

    There is a distinct difference between the ultrasound procedure that uses the device upon the external portions of the stomach and one that uses a device to enter a woman's vagina and do it.

    That's like saying that because a doctor uses a rubber glove when rubbing the glands under your throat then its entirely equivalent to a doctor using a rubber glove to jab his finger up your ass because in both cases they happen to be using a rubber glove.
    And do you realize, that the bill that passed, doesn't specify the type of ultrasound?

    If as others have stated, that a vaginal inserted ultrasound is required for all ultrasounds prior to gestational age of 12 weeks, then Planned Parenthood is already doing it.
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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    And do you realize, that the bill that passed, doesn't specify the type of ultrasound?

    If as others have stated, that a vaginal inserted ultrasound is required for all ultrasounds prior to gestational age of 12 weeks, then Planned Parenthood is already doing it.
    Often abdominal ultrasounds are preformed by most abortion providers as part of the standard of care in performing abortions.

    The reason transvaginal ultrasounds are used in the Virginia law is because of the "hear the heartbeat" part of the law. If the gestation period is under 10 weeks the heartbeat can only be heard using a transvaginal probe.


    Transvaginal Ultrasound

    The point at which one hears a baby's heartbeat will depend on which device the doctor uses. The heartbeat can be heard through a transvaginal ultrasound as early as six weeks and four days gestation. During a transvaginal ultrasound, the sonographer places a probe inside the woman's vagina. This probe sends sound waves that bounce off anything solid in her body. This forms a picture of her baby and uterus. At this time, the heartbeat is audible.


    Doppler Monitor

    A woman may not have reason to have an early, transvaginal ultrasound. In that case, she will likely first hear the baby's heartbeat in her doctor's office at a prenatal exam when she uses a handheld Doppler monitor at about 10 weeks gestation. The doctor will place gel on her belly, which acts as a medium. Then she will place a wand on her belly, which is called the transducer. The heart can be heard beating from the speaker attached to the monitor.
    How Many Weeks Before You Can Hear a Fetus Heartbeat? | eHow.com
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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Often abdominal ultrasounds are preformed by most abortion providers as part of the standard of care in performing abortions.

    The reason transvaginal ultrasounds are used in the Virginia law is because of the "hear the heartbeat" part of the law. If the gestation period is under 10 weeks the heartbeat can only be heard using a transvaginal probe.



    How Many Weeks Before You Can Hear a Fetus Heartbeat? | eHow.com


    Except again, the word heartbeat isn't in the law. The folks writing the articles are just making crap up.

    Before performing any abortion or inducing any miscarriage or terminating a pregnancy as provided in ßß 18.2-72, 18.2-73 or ß 18.2-74, the physician shall obtain the informed written consent of the pregnant woman. However, if the woman has been adjudicated incapacitated by any court of competent jurisdiction or if the physician knows or has good reason to believe that such woman is incapacitated as adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction, then only after permission is given in writing by a parent, guardian, committee, or other person standing in loco parentis to the woman, may the physician perform the abortion or otherwise terminate the pregnancy.

    B. Except in the case of a medical emergency, at least 48 hours before the performance of an abortion, a licensed physician or a qualified medical professional working under the direct supervision of a licensed physician shall perform a limited ultrasound examination on the patient undergoing the abortion to confirm the presence of a viable intrauterine pregnancy. Once the physician or medical professional determines whether such pregnancy exists, a print of the ultrasound image shall be made and a copy of the print, along with documentation of the physician or medical professional's determination as to the viability of the pregnancy, shall be maintained in the woman's medical record.
    Thats it.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Often abdominal ultrasounds are preformed by most abortion providers as part of the standard of care in performing abortions.

    The reason transvaginal ultrasounds are used in the Virginia law is because of the "hear the heartbeat" part of the law. If the gestation period is under 10 weeks the heartbeat can only be heard using a transvaginal probe.

    How Many Weeks Before You Can Hear a Fetus Heartbeat? | eHow.com

    Here is the bio of the person who penned this ehow article: Carrie Allison-Rolling

    Carrie Allison-Rolling has been writing and working with young writers for 15 years. She earned a B.A. in English and a B.S.Ed. in English education from Northwest Missouri State University and a master's in English at the University of Missouri. Her poetry chapbook was publish by Mid-America Press. She now is a stay-at-home mother.

    How does this qualify her to inform us on this topic?

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