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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's great.

    meanwhile, if they CHOOSE to have an abortion, they will they be FORCED to undergo this procedure...or possibly go to jail.

    and if a doctor CHOOSES not to do this procedure HE will go to jail.

    so much for small government.
    If they choose an abortion, then they choose the ultrasound as well. In Virginia. See, it's a choice.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I love how liberals cry "small government" when it suits them...
    I love it when Conservatives defend & support government tyranny, when it suits them...

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Absolutely outrageous. It's outrageous to force any woman to have an ultrasound before exercising her legal and constitutionally-protected right to choose. But this procedure is selected specifically to further humiliate the woman, by having her hoist her naked extremities into stirrups while a foreign object is put into her vagina.

    Words cannot express how infuriating this is to me.
    Then she shouldn't be choosing to kill unborn babies. I'm sorry that having an extra procedure done is such an "inconvenience" to these women as they engage in the act of taking innocent lives.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Then she shouldn't be choosing to kill unborn babies. I'm sorry that having an extra procedure done is such an "inconvenience" to these women as they engage in the act of taking innocent lives.


    you make it seem like this procedure, is some form of punishment.

    "don't do the crime if you can't do the time"

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you make it seem like this procedure, is some form of punishment.

    "don't do the crime if you can't do the time"
    Only if you consider looking at a baby to be punishment.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Only if you consider looking at a baby to be punishment.
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    this unwanted elective procedure, totally unrelated to the act of abortion, is a consequence of a choice to abort.

    sounds like a punishment to me.


    "if you choose to have an abortion, there are consequences. The government will force you to take this metal object up your vagina."
    Last edited by Thunder; 02-15-12 at 08:15 PM.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    There's no way you can force a medical procedure, or an economic product (ultra sound), onto people.
    So forcing products is bad...forcing services is not. Forcing medical procedures is bad, forcing medical insurance is not.

    Ah, the wonders of logic.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    State's rights.
    It's arguable this is a 4th amendment.

    But for the most part I agree, this is more of a state's right issue.

    As someone who actually lives in this state and has conservative values, mandating medically unnecessary procedures to be purchased by a person who is undergoing a private purchase of a medical treatment is NOT what the state of Virginia's government is meant for.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    .

    this unwanted elective procedure, totally unrelated to the act of abortion, is a consequence of a choice to abort.

    sounds like a punishment to me.


    "if you choose to have an abortion, there are consequences. The government will force you to take this metal object up your vagina."
    Well, that's your extreme opinion and you're entitled to it. My suggestion is don't live in Virginia.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Zyphlin again showing his liberal colors. Protecting life is a conservative issue.
    Protecting Life is a conservative issue

    Limited Government is ALSO a conservative issue

    Individual Freedom is ALSO a conservative issue

    Why is it that because I don't believe we should actively go AGAINST other conservative principles to push one particular principle is somehow "liberal colors" and yet arguing that we should expand the power of the state and limit peoples liberty by allowing the government to mandate the purchase of a private good/service to be able to partake in another private good/service isn't?

    There are NUMEROUS ways to work towards protecting life that ALSO doesn't violate the notion of Limited Government and Individual Freedom.

    I am a conservative. Not a Social Conservative, big CS, who cares ONLY for social conservative values to the point where they I would utterly reject and go abjectly AGAINST conservative fiscal and governmental principles.

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