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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This is do dishonest it's not even funny.

    Especially coming from a Canadian.

    In Canada the health care is run by the provincial governments yes.

    But they don't have the right to force a medical procedure on you that's not nessecary.
    They certainly can if they choose to. They can also make illegal any procedure or alternative treatment they choose to make illegal. They can forbid various foods from being imported because they feel it might cause obesity, for example. They have done all of this and are continuing to do so.

    Once the government is in charge of your body they can pretty much do anything they want.

    What's to stop them? Good will?

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Someone call the supreme court, this is way out of control.
    State's rights.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They certainly can if they choose to. They can also make illegal any procedure or alternative treatment they choose to make illegal. They can forbid various foods from being imported because they feel it might cause obesity, for example. They have done all of this and are continuing to do so.

    Once the government is in charge of your body they can pretty much do anything they want.

    What's to stop them? Good will?
    So there are no instances of the Provincial Government of any province forcing someone to have a medical procedure that was unnessecary?

    I know of certain provinces that won't pay for certain procedures for various reasons but that's no different to what an HMO can do...

    Again you are being dishonest.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah so you think governments role should be to force unessecary medical procedures on woman...

    That's pretty interesting for a "Small Government Conservative" to say.
    Nobody's being forced to do anything.

    Women can choose not to get abortions, and then they won't be mandated to do anything.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Nobody's being forced to do anything....
    they are being FORCED to undergo a totally elective & VERY invasive procedure, under the force of law.

    this law, is so unConstitutional that I'm astounded the people have risen up.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The Government should not be mandating mandatory medical tests that have no medical reason for them being conducted, especially tests that come at the expense of the person. There is no medical reason, what so ever, for this procedure to occur. This is the government mandating to a citizen that they must purchase a specific good or service (a vaginal ultrasound). That's absolutely and unquestionably not the role or puprose of government. This is wrong and is a stark violation of conservative ideology unless one entirely discards the notion of small and limited government in favor of big Social Conservatism. Should we strive to reduce and perhaps even eliminate abortions? Absolutely. However, the method to do that should not be empowering the state with authority it has no business having, mandating that private citizens purchase unnecessary services, and expanding the power of the state. This is plainly and completely wrong.

    However, forgive me if I don't really care about the indignation or crying by the democratic delogate when one of her collegues felt that two wrongs makes a right and that having things forcefully shoved into men was also the correct course of legislative action to take.

    As a Virginian, this legislation troubles me greatly. I don't want the Virginia State Legislature having power over what medical procedures I should or should not be undertaking and this gives them that power.
    Zyphlin again showing his liberal colors. Protecting life is a conservative issue.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    they are being FORCED to undergo a totally elective & VERY invasive procedure, under the force of law.

    this law, is so unConstitutional that I'm astounded the people have risen up.
    If they choose not to have an abortion, then they aren't being forced to do anything.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If they choose not to have an abortion, then they aren't being forced to do anything.
    that's great.

    meanwhile, if they CHOOSE to have an abortion, they will they be FORCED to undergo this procedure...or possibly go to jail.

    and if a doctor CHOOSES not to do this procedure HE will go to jail.

    so much for small government.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Regardless of what you believe about when life begins, the procedure being mandated is unnecessary. It's an overreach of power by the state government. How can you call yourself and small government Conservative and celebrate this?
    I love how liberals cry "small government" when it suits them...

    Hollow cries they are.

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    Re: Va. House GOP muscles through abortion curbs

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Zyphlin again showing his liberal colors. Protecting life is a conservative issue.
    I thought defending personal freedom & liberty was also a Conservative issue?

    I guess, not when women are concerned.

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