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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    more on this latest news as it happens....


    The other ships part happens all the time. Literally. We used to hate news networks who loved to see how close they could get before getting chased off, and then would use the footage of being chased off on the news. Every time we would get called to GQ. At no point where the iranian ships or aircraft considered threatening.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The other ships part happens all the time. Literally. We used to hate news networks who loved to see how close they could get before getting chased off, and then would use the footage of being chased off on the news. Every time we would get called to GQ. At no point where the iranian ships or aircraft considered threatening.

    I do understand what you are saying!

    I hope and pray that in the coming weeks and months it will be the same.... just a game like the one you are talking about ... a fun game and nothing more...

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Nonsense. Who would attack Iran once they have a nuclear arsenal? Certainly not Israel and certainly not us.

    I can only assume what you mean is that DEVELOPING nuclear weapons puts Iran at risk of annihilation? In other words, like right now Iran's quest for nuclear weapons makes them vulnerable to attack since they do not yet have a working weapon.

    My response to this is that, firstly, Iran is not certain it will trigger foreign military intervention. Hell, the U.S. doesn't know for certain and I don't believe Israel has made the decision yet either (I expect they would wait until after the election and see how things pan out first). Second, Israel and Iran really don't know how far along Iran's development is. The attack, if it comes at all, may come too late. So, basically, I think Iran is making a gamble and banking on the unknowns working out in their favor.



    What makes you think Iranian economic stability is a direct, primary goal of the Iranian regime? If you believe that, how would you explain Iran's willingness to subject itself to the current sanctions that are utterly crippling its economy?

    Economic stability is only an indirect, tertiary goal. The regime's primary goal is self-preservation. Very often that goes hand in hand with appeasing the populace and having a healthy economy. But not always. The only way to explain Iran's willingness to endure the current oil embargoes is that the regime views the reward of obtaining nuclear weapons as more important to self-preservation than a healthy economy.

    Again, look to North Korea. Kim Jong willingly starved millions of his people in the 90s while redirecting tremendous resources into developing the bomb. Iran sure looks to be heading down a similar path...

    The country is alone in this world.The idea of nuclear capability has brought them to their knees as a nation. Economic stability is one spillover benefit this is the extent.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I do understand what you are saying!

    I hope and pray that in the coming weeks and months it will be the same.... just a game like the one you are talking about ... a fun game and nothing more...
    The Iranians are not going to hurt a carrier. Not even if they wanted to. It is a game.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    How is that different from preventing Iran from selling its oil?

    Its myopic to think that Iran will close the Straits which could easily and quickly be cleared.

    If Israel attacks Iran, Iran will blow up all the Saudi oil installations and take 10 million bpd off the market.
    Who is stopping Iran from selling oil to anyone willing to buy it?

    And it wouldn't be that difficult to close the strait through the use of mines and/or missiles.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    This is just another example of that opportunist Obama and his Gunboat Diplomacy....Ooops, thats right, Bush is no longer is president, let me amend that....If GW were still POTUS it would be just another example of Dubya showing bold and decisive leadership in the face of international danger.
    Altered your text to ensure the other 50% of partisan hacks don't feel left out. **** like this stinks from both ends, don't you find?
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Talking two different situations here. Strikes to stop Iranian nuclear capability and a reaction to acts of war would be different situations. Admittedly the latter does not mean regime change, but there would be heavy strikes on iranian military targets and would probably heavily destablize Iran. With the precarious situation Iran is in, that could easily precipitate internal regime change.
    And what would that achieve? The imposition of a régime more friendly to western interests? It wouldn't be a liberal democratic one, that's for sure. I believe the US and UK tried this strategy once before, in the Fifties. How did that work out?

    What I'd most like to hear from the more hawkish posters is exactly what their endgame would be. What exactly might the US hope to achieve in escalating the situation vis-a-vis Iran?
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Altered your text to ensure the other 50% of partisan hacks don't feel left out. **** like this stinks from both ends, don't you find?
    I dont know. It is hard to take anyone with an avatar like yours seriously, dont you find?

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I dont know. It is hard to take anyone with an avatar like yours seriously, dont you find?
    I dunno. Stupid avatar or stupid partisan hackery. Which is most likely to derail a debate?
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    Nonsense. Who would attack Iran once they have a nuclear arsenal? Certainly not Israel and certainly not us.

    I can only assume what you mean is that DEVELOPING nuclear weapons puts Iran at risk of annihilation? In other words, like right now Iran's quest for nuclear weapons makes them vulnerable to attack since they do not yet have a working weapon.

    My response to this is that, firstly, Iran is not certain it will trigger foreign military intervention. Hell, the U.S. doesn't know for certain and I don't believe Israel has made the decision yet either (I expect they would wait until after the election and see how things pan out first). Second, Israel and Iran really don't know how far along Iran's development is. The attack, if it comes at all, may come too late. So, basically, I think Iran is making a gamble and banking on the unknowns working out in their favor.



    What makes you think Iranian economic stability is a direct, primary goal of the Iranian regime? If you believe that, how would you explain Iran's willingness to subject itself to the current sanctions that are utterly crippling its economy?

    Economic stability is only an indirect, tertiary goal. The regime's primary goal is self-preservation. Very often that goes hand in hand with appeasing the populace and having a healthy economy. But not always. The only way to explain Iran's willingness to endure the current oil embargoes is that the regime views the reward of obtaining nuclear weapons as more important to self-preservation than a healthy economy.

    Again, look to North Korea. Kim Jong willingly starved millions of his people in the 90s while redirecting tremendous resources into developing the bomb. Iran sure looks to be heading down a similar path...
    Again, another person talking about NK's nuclear "deterrence"
    As for Iran, it's not a problem of whether it can get a nuke. Nukes can be smuggled, and there are variety of nukes, from ones that can launched from an ICBM to one that can be launched from a small infantry mortar.
    The problem is the method of delivery. Missiles are harder to smuggle, and harder to build. Iran hardly has a capacity to build a long-range missile. Trying to hope for one that can bypass the Aegis or any of those anti-nuke measures is like dreaming for a rich Somalia. Impossible.
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