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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    I agree the Ayatoilettes have to go!
    Again, who would replace them. Can anyone who supports this position please provide an answer.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Replaced by whom?
    Whomever the Iranians elect. The Iranian people are very educated and cosmopolitan and worldly-wise, and that's what Democracy needs to succeed. Democracy was(is) a struggle in Iraq, but Iran's populace would do a far better job at installing a new government.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Again, who would replace them. Can anyone who supports this position please provide an answer.

    Like EagleAye explained


    " Whomever the Iranians elect. The Iranian people are very educated and cosmopolitan and worldly-wise, and that's what Democracy needs to succeed. Democracy was(is) a struggle in Iraq, but Iran's populace would do a far better job at installing a new government"

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Like EagleAye explained


    " Whomever the Iranians elect. The Iranian people are very educated and cosmopolitan and worldly-wise, and that's what Democracy needs to succeed. Democracy was(is) a struggle in Iraq, but Iran's populace would do a far better job at installing a new government"
    Thanks for parroting his words.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Whomever the Iranians elect. The Iranian people are very educated and cosmopolitan and worldly-wise, and that's what Democracy needs to succeed. Democracy was(is) a struggle in Iraq, but Iran's populace would do a far better job at installing a new government.

    The problem I see with this is a third party much like a foreign government would have to be involved to effectuate a proper democracy. A democracy is my goal as well. However I do not see where this country is ready for a true democracy.

    For example, "Current Constitution adopted 2nd-3rd December 1979; significant revisions expanding presidential powers and eliminating prime ministership in 1989. Article 4 provides that all civil, penal, financial, economic, administrative, cultural, military, political, and any other laws must be based on Islamic criteria" That does not seem to allow for a true democracy where human rights would be respected.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The Obama WH ordered that Diego Garcia be loaded with enough smart bombs combined with Carrier Groups assets to hit over 10,000 Iranian targets. They think they should obliterate Iran's military in order to prevent any asymmetrical warfare from developing.

    USA to destory Iran with smart bombs from Diego Garcia - English pravda.ru

    I kept wondering why we supported so heavy the Arab revolutions in the states surrounding Israel. I think it's because of not having stable regimes that would be able to support pro-Iranian or anti-Israel. That could be a stretch but I sincerely believe that conversation occurred at high levels of geopolitical strategy.
    Do not overestimate what those can do. They can do alot, but not s much as you might think. The bombs they are referring to are standard 500, 1000 and 2000 pound bombs(BLU series) equipped with laser guidance most likely. To give you an idea, when I was in the navy with old F-18C's, we would carry sometimes 8 2k pound bombs(mk84/BLU-117) per aircraft. The few hundred the article talks about would be used in a single strike, and the 10k number you give in a week. It would be virtually impossible to destroy either Iran's nuclear or military capability with just airstrikes and would take many times the amount of ordnance the article you link suggests.

    Iran may however have some Phoenix missiles left they can load on their few F-14's and get some actual aircraft kills, but few and not for long.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    There is nothing to think about it


    What side are you in? Iran and the Ayatoilttes?? or the rest of the western world? It's that simple.
    No it is not that simple. I am on the side of US interests. US interests do not neccessarily require regime change in Iran.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Thanks for parroting his words.


    who's parroting? moi? LOL Connery


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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post

    So this is who you suggest would take over once the current thugs and lunatics are removed?



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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Apparently the sanctions that have been imposed against Iran have proven to costly to Iran as they have resorted to bartering to bypass the sanctions. There are many ways to approach this problem and an outright war is not the only or most effective solution.
    Well, what would you suggest? It seems to me that the Supreme Leader views nuclear weapons as assured immunity. Kim Jong Il demonstrated how untouchable an authoritarian can become when sitting on a couple of nukes. Perhaps the arab spring spooked them a bit, especially considering how smoothly Iran's last election went. Kim Jong's demise is probably a bit more appealing than ending up lynched with a steak knife up your ass.

    I don't see what you could offer that would convince them to surrender the kind of protection nukes would provide them.

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