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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I agree with you and Blue_State but they might try and keep Israel out of it at first to diminish an Arab outcry. They'll knock out radar and SAM's first then go after Iranian assets, probably while the MOP's are coming in on high flyers for attempts on the nuke facilities.
    I would try to keep Isreal out as well. I know they are chomping at the bit for revenge (bombings at embassies and Thailand), but they could push the locals into a frenzie. If I were an Arab nation, I would wonder when America was coming in my back door. Isreal could be the catalyst to turn the region against us.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Through Hormuz? We did GQ through it each time I went and I would assume the same is true now.
    Yes, that's what I meant.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    I would try to keep Isreal out as well. I know they are chomping at the bit for revenge (bombings at embassies and Thailand), but they could push the locals into a frenzie. If I were an Arab nation, I would wonder when America was coming in my back door. Isreal could be the catalyst to turn the region against us.
    I disagree.. I think Israel should take care of this on their own.. and we should stay out of it.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, the amount of ordanance listed in the article would be enough for a single smallish strike. It is simply not enough to do significant damage to Iran's military.
    Don't forget all the cruise missile that Navy has. But yeah no doubt take a large coordinated strike; Iran has a real military unlike some of the other countries. They lack experience though.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't forget all the cruise missile that Navy has. But yeah no doubt take a large coordinated strike; Iran has a real military unlike some of the other countries. They lack experience though.
    Unfortunately, we have to much.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    Again, another person talking about NK's nuclear "deterrence"
    come on, whether or not nuclear weapons act as some sort of deterrent is not even debatable.

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    As for Iran, it's not a problem of whether it can get a nuke. Nukes can be smuggled, and there are variety of nukes, from ones that can launched from an ICBM to one that can be launched from a small infantry mortar.
    No way. Who would sell Iran a nuclear weapon? Russia - nope. China - not a chance. Pakistan - uh-uh. North Korea - highly doubtful. None of the other nuclear powers are even worth mentioning. The problem is that, from the perspective of the seller, there's nothing really to gain and a lot to lose. First of all, it would be a flagrant violation of an international treaty upheld by nearly every other nation in the world. A country that sells a nuclear weapon would suddenly be on unfriendly terms with all of the most important nations in the world. Collusion and clandestine support for a nation's nuclear program - now that's much easier to get away with, and therefore has a more favorable risk vs reward profile. But outright giving/selling a nuclear weapon to a nation? No way. That'd be a silly strategic blunder for any of the nuclear powers.

    Second of all, having a handful of nuclear weapons isn't really that big a deal. It's having the technology and capacity to produce more if needed that's really the key. Y'know, give a man a fish he'll eat for a day - teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime and all that.

    Besides, if it were so easy for Iran to simply purchase nuclear weapons as you say, why are they going to such great lengths and sabotaging their whole economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    The problem is the method of delivery. Missiles are harder to smuggle, and harder to build. Iran hardly has a capacity to build a long-range missile. Trying to hope for one that can bypass the Aegis or any of those anti-nuke measures is like dreaming for a rich Somalia. Impossible.
    What's your point? I'm not afraid that Iran would be able to hit the U.S. with a nuke, if that's what your after. They wouldn't even attempt that if they could.

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