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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do not overestimate what those can do. They can do alot, but not s much as you might think. The bombs they are referring to are standard 500, 1000 and 2000 pound bombs(BLU series) equipped with laser guidance most likely. To give you an idea, when I was in the navy with old F-18C's, we would carry sometimes 8 2k pound bombs(mk84/BLU-117) per aircraft. The few hundred the article talks about would be used in a single strike, and the 10k number you give in a week. It would be virtually impossible to destroy either Iran's nuclear or military capability with just airstrikes and would take many times the amount of ordnance the article you link suggests.

    Iran may however have some Phoenix missiles left they can load on their few F-14's and get some actual aircraft kills, but few and not for long.
    I know they're not capable of hitting the nuke sites but they're referring to other Iranian military assets. Missile and rocket launchers, armory depots, tanks, big guns, planes, Navy etc.

    According to Panetta they're working on improving the MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) but it's a time table game, and it might take a mop-nuke because the thing has to penetrate halfway thru a mountain.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

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    Bolton will know more than most about what's going on, so he's not "blathering". I don't give a damn who's lobbying, the communist are lobbying for their causes too. What's your beef? If Obama can't man-up, then he needs to go. I don't hear any war drums.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Bolton is a rabid Zionist and a very obnoxious man. I sat next to him on a plane for about ten minutes before I asked the Stew to move me. He is incapable of civil discourse... I buckled up and said "hi'.. when he launched into a completely uninvited diatribe.
    Why don't I believe you? As thought someone like that would talk to a stranger in such a way. Pullleaze.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

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    Why don't I believe you? As thought someone like that would talk to a stranger in such a way. Pullleaze.
    I have NO ida why he behaved that way.. He's a creep.

    He may have seen my photo in a Saudi newspaper since he had been in Arabia for 3 days prior.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A Navy friend of mine also said that the ships are all at GQ when passing through that area. I think the lack of threat has to do with the shear power of our Navy and the readiness of the crews. Anyone that tries to get near a carrier, especially at GQ, would have to have a galactic size set of nuts.
    Through Hormuz? We did GQ through it each time I went and I would assume the same is true now.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I know they're not capable of hitting the nuke sites but they're referring to other Iranian military assets. Missile and rocket launchers, armory depots, tanks, big guns, planes, Navy etc.

    According to Panetta they're working on improving the MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator) but it's a time table game, and it might take a mop-nuke because the thing has to penetrate halfway thru a mountain.
    Again, the amount of ordanance listed in the article would be enough for a single smallish strike. It is simply not enough to do significant damage to Iran's military.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, the amount of ordanance listed in the article would be enough for a single smallish strike. It is simply not enough to do significant damage to Iran's military.
    I agree the small of amount of bombs listed aren't enough but in coordination with the air strikes coming off two carrier groups, subs with cruise missiles, B2's coming off bases in Turkey and Diego would add up to enough to hurt them severely. I've no experience in military logistics but I think you're right that we would need a bigger presence to shut them down completely.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I agree the small of amount of bombs listed aren't enough but in coordination with the air strikes coming off two carrier groups, subs with cruise missiles, B2's coming off bases in Turkey and Diego would add up to enough to hurt them severely. I've no experience in military logistics but I think you're right that we would need a bigger presence to shut them down completely.
    It all depends on the end goal. Typically a force like that would be used to destroy anti-air and radar emplacements. Then the big boys from Minnesota can come in and take out the underground stuff. To me, it looks like a disrupt and cordon operation. Disrupt their ability to see, and prevent them from leaving the harbor.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I agree the small of amount of bombs listed aren't enough but in coordination with the air strikes coming off two carrier groups, subs with cruise missiles, B2's coming off bases in Turkey and Diego would add up to enough to hurt them severely. I've no experience in military logistics but I think you're right that we would need a bigger presence to shut them down completely.
    I seriously doubt that the amount held in Diego represents all we intend to use. We must also consider that any strikes on Iran would be accompanied with strikes by Israel.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    I seriously doubt that the amount held in Diego represents all we intend to use. We must also consider that any strikes on Iran would be accompanied with strikes by Israel.
    I agree with you and Blue_State but they might try and keep Israel out of it at first to diminish an Arab outcry. They'll knock out radar and SAM's first then go after Iranian assets, probably while the MOP's are coming in on high flyers for attempts on the nuke facilities.
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