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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I dunno. Stupid avatar or stupid partisan hackery. Which is most likely to derail a debate?
    Since my post didnt derail the thread, looks like we are going to have to go with the stupid avatar.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And what would that achieve? The imposition of a régime more friendly to western interests? It wouldn't be a liberal democratic one, that's for sure. I believe the US and UK tried this strategy once before, in the Fifties. How did that work out?

    What I'd most like to hear from the more hawkish posters is exactly what their endgame would be. What exactly might the US hope to achieve in escalating the situation vis-a-vis Iran?
    That may be a problem. Iraq made no sense and still doesn't unless you consider oil. Afghanistan has been insanity since day one. We had nothing to gain there. We are still there and for what? Why are we involved in Syria and Bahrain, where we are "covertly", I'm told, supplying weapons. The endgame maybe a few things oil, empire and religion.

    The world has probably reached Peak Oil or soon will. Don't ask me to explain empire but I can tell you that there are many Americans who believe the world belongs to the USA and must submit on command. Everyone must have a democracy even though here in the US we are losing our Constitutional Rights by the day. Far too many people believe the West must conquer the ME and control it, tame it and force it to become more westernized. The Republican Party is rife with religious extremists. They set out years ago to infiltrate the party and influence government and they have done that. Not a small number of these extremists believe it is God's will that America convert Muslims. End Timers believe a war is necessary between Israel and Muslim countries. Do not pass their influence off as inconsequential. Coupled with Zionist in America they are dangerous and powerful.

    Finally, it is an election year and as Congress has long ago relinquished its Constitutional mandate to declare war. Congress will take no unified stance, though most members of the GOP will support some form of armed aggression (see above). It will be Obama's call. I believe our involvement will be a response to a provocation. A false flag is not out of the question either.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Sorry to say it but around the first week of March the fit will hit the shan. I do hope I am wrong though I don't believe I will be. Washington has been pounding the war drugs. The same neocons that supported our invasion of Iraq are screaming for war with Iran. I'm afraid this time it'll get ugly and Americans will really understand war for the first time.
    Bush has been out of office for over 3 years, and you still blame the neocons for Obama's decisions. WTF is wrong with you, did you fail to get the memo?
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The other ships part happens all the time. Literally. We used to hate news networks who loved to see how close they could get before getting chased off, and then would use the footage of being chased off on the news. Every time we would get called to GQ. At no point where the iranian ships or aircraft considered threatening.
    A Navy friend of mine also said that the ships are all at GQ when passing through that area. I think the lack of threat has to do with the shear power of our Navy and the readiness of the crews. Anyone that tries to get near a carrier, especially at GQ, would have to have a galactic size set of nuts.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bush has been out of office for over 3 years, and you still blame the neocons for Obama's decisions. WTF is wrong with you, did you fail to get the memo?
    The Zionist/Neocon connection is as strong as it ever was. Even John Bolton is back on the telly blathering on about Iran and calling for war. The Israeli lobby is pushing hard and will push hard on Obama in this election year. I don't believe Obama wants war with Iran. The military is opposed. Who do you suppose is beating the war drums?










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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The Zionist/Neocon connection is as strong as it ever was. Even John Bolton is back on the telly blathering on about Iran and calling for war. The Israeli lobby is pushing hard and will push hard on Obama in this election year. I don't believe Obama wants war with Iran. The military is opposed. Who do you suppose is beating the war drums?
    The Iranians.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The Zionist/Neocon connection is as strong as it ever was. Even John Bolton is back on the telly blathering on about Iran and calling for war. The Israeli lobby is pushing hard and will push hard on Obama in this election year. I don't believe Obama wants war with Iran. The military is opposed. Who do you suppose is beating the war drums?
    Bolton will know more than most about what's going on, so he's not "blathering". I don't give a damn who's lobbying, the communist are lobbying for their causes too. What's your beef? If Obama can't man-up, then he needs to go. I don't hear any war drums.
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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    It would be nice if we could get Iran busy fighting from within so they would turn their attention away from terrorism elsewhere or building bombs.

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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bolton will know more than most about what's going on, so he's not "blathering". I don't give a damn who's lobbying, the communist are lobbying for their causes too. What's your beef? If Obama can't man-up, then he needs to go. I don't hear any war drums.
    OK, this thread has been going great. I do not want to divert it. If you'd like to start a thread to discuss your questions I promise I'll join and address the issues. But not here. I should not have taken your bait initially. My apologies to the others here. Back to the topic of the OP.










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    Re: US carrier crosses Hormuz against Iran threats

    This, this morning at rt.com

    Iran's Oil Ministry has refuted media reports on the country stopping its crude exports to six EU nations on Wednesday.

    "We deny this report… If such a decision is made, it will be announced by Iran's Supreme National Security Council," a spokesman for the ministry told Reuters.
    The European Commission has "absolutely no information" about the news and will check it, said the spokesman for Foreign Policy, Michael Mann.
    The initial news from Tehran nonetheless sent Brent crude prices up nearly $2 a barrel to $119.28, hitting a six-month high.

    Earlier, Iran’s state Press TV reported that Tehran had corked crude supplies to Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, France and the Netherlands. That would have fulfilled Iran's threat to retaliate for the EU’s oil embargo, agreed by the bloc in January.

    The ambassadors of the six EU countries were summoned to the Iranian Foreign Ministry on Wednesday to be notified on the oil cut, says the Press TV. Other media reported that while Iran declared its intentions to the envoys, the actual halt in oil supplies was delayed for some time.

    Out of the six countries listed by Wednesday’s report, Italy, Spain and Greece account for up to 68 per cent of Iranian oil consumed in Europe. Half of Spanish and a third of Greek oil imports come from that country. The Spanish ambassador to Iran has voiced concerns that Tehran’s preemptive oil action would deliver a heavy blow to Madrid’s staggering economy.
    Also, today Iran reports that it is "two steps to nuclear self-sufficiency".

    Iran doesn't appear to be doing anything to de-escalate the situation.










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