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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Wealth having more to do with a chance than with work does not equate that "self made man" = fantasy or a big of bullcrap. Anyone "not buying" that becoming a self made man is still possible is frankly ignorant of reality in this country. It absolutely is not a fantasy and still possible to be a self made man in this country. Is it easier to do if you have money already? Absolutely...that's not new, that's been true for centuries. However, NOT having wealth does not mean that its not possible to succeed and still be a self made man. What's fantasy and a load of bullcrap is the vast majority of the inaccurate and downright provably false statements you've made throughout this thread.
    what is notable is that you chose not to post and prove false the many statements you insist are inaccurate
    that indicates you are actually without anything other than an invalid opinion to offer as rebuttal
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    I think it's great -- but doubt it's enough.

    Look. We've got to try anything and everything we can think of to motivate kids in inner-city schools to learn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. These little tweaks that the teachers make in curriculum? They don't mean ****. If a kid isn't motivated to learn at home...motivate 'em to stay in school -- or pay for their babies and lifestyles for the next 30-40 years on public assistance.

    For inner-city schools that can't turn out readers, for God's sake -- incentivize them with a free college tuition...start in grade school...

    It's parent failure for the most part, so we've got to find a way to compensate for that. Or else.
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not exactly
    look at the most progressive cultures in the world and you will also see educated people

    examine the more retarded cultures of the world and you will normally see an uneducated population

    our choice. pay them now to do well in school, so they can help elevate our society, or pay the cost of incarceration, expanded police, judiciary and welfare system later
    How about instead of paying them start enforcing truancy laws? How about instead of paying them start mandating anyone under the age of 18 to attend school? Home teaching being the only excuse to not attend some sort of school. Phase out the GED over the next 50 years. Also get rid of this "everybody is a winner!" mentality.

    Edit to add that if after 50 years from the time they mandate the kids must be in school if adults don't have a diploma then they cannot get welfare assistance.
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think it's great -- but doubt it's enough.

    Look. We've got to try anything and everything we can think of to motivate kids in inner-city schools to learn. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. These little tweaks that the teachers make in curriculum? They don't mean ****. If a kid isn't motivated to learn at home...motivate 'em to stay in school -- or pay for their babies and lifestyles for the next 30-40 years on public assistance.

    For inner-city schools that can't turn out readers, for God's sake -- incentivize them with a free college tuition...start in grade school...

    It's parent failure for the most part, so we've got to find a way to compensate for that. Or else.
    I don't know about most areas anymore but in my town there is no enforcement of keeping a kid in school while school is in progress. If a kid shows up for school then leave after first period the schools don't even inform the parents that their kid is no longer in school. Taking care of that problem would be a step in the right direction towards solving this crap.
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    It appears that the student population is comprised of an impoverished population. Spouting the promise of what an education can do most likely will fall on deaf ears. Having something tangible to work for rather than ideals, exclusively, is a positive move. Moreover 'the school will not use any operating funds for the program. It has raised $40,000 from charitable programs and two private donors and is looking for more." Nice pilot program I hope it helps this community.

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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Kind of like the incentive of people becoming a productive member of society, having your freedoms, and living a long life, as opposed to being a blight on society, a person your parents are ashamed of, ruining the lives of other people for your own greed, and rotting in prison or being gunned down in the street?
    Do you ACTUALLY think that teenagers think about ANY of that stuff? They don't make plans with their friends until 10 minutes before they meet them, nothing that you mention is even going to be on their radar.
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So why don't the rich kids sell drugs, too? Everybody would love to make that kind of money, right?

    Integrity.
    Read what you wrote. Perhaps rich kids don't need to make that kind of money because they are already rich.
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    We were talking about kids in poverty.
    The vast majority of kids in poverty are not drug dealers.

    Never said they would.
    You clearly suggested that somehow a program like this would act as a counter to the fact that kids would become drug dealers.

    When did you check last?
    January of 2012

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    4.2% of college graduates are unemployed. So yes, more than 95% of those that "work their ass off" and get a college degree don't end up unable to get a job.

    I'm not disagreeing with ya at all, but the culture of kids in poverty is that materialism is all that matter. Since you missed the impoverished part, a lot of my argument apparently didn't make much sense to you.
    Instilling an even greater mentality of materialism into the culture of kids in poverty doens't seem to be the answer to the issue, it just seems to feed it.

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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i disagree
    we all respond to incentives (or disincentives)
    don't think they went far enough
    the school system should also financially reward students who perform well in school (and who do not create discipline problems)
    any student who does not attend regularly or whose GPA is less than a 2.0 should have their drivers license suspended until those problems are cured
    any family of such a student, which family receives any form of government assistance, should have to endure oodles of red tape to continue to receive their benefits. that might motivate mom/dad to more closely monitor their child's academic career
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    Re: Cincinnati High School Paying Students To Come To School

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't look good in conservative clothing, so stop.
    and the way you emphasized/excised my post speaks to why it shall remain that way
    you high-lighted the portion which constituted the stick
    you eliminated the portion which constituted the carrot
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