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    Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    I AM NOT SURE THIS IS POSTED IN THE PROPER CATEGORY, BUT THE STORY IS TIMELY......

    Nun at St. Joseph's Hospital rebuked over abortion to save woman

    Nun at St. Joseph's
    Hospital rebuked over
    abortion to save woman


    by Michael Clancy - May. 19, 2010 01:16
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    The Arizona Republic

    A Catholic nun and longtime
    administrator of St. Joseph's
    Hospital and Medical Center in
    Phoenix was reassigned in the
    wake of a decision to allow a
    pregnancy to be ended in order to
    save the life of a critically ill
    patient.

    The decision also drew a sharp
    rebuke from Bishop Thomas J.
    Olmsted, head of the Phoenix
    Diocese, who indicated the
    woman was "automatically
    excommunicated" because of the
    action.
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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    If the mother's life is in danger and doctors have confirmed that carrying the child to 40-50% viability will cause the mother to lose her life then abortion is justified.
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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    Save a woman's life, you get the same penalty you would for molesting children. In this thread: the Catholic Church doing exactly what you expect it to do.

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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the mother's life is in danger and doctors have confirmed that carrying the child to 40-50% viability will cause the mother to lose her life then abortion is justified.
    It meant automatic excommunication for the Nun Administrator.

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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    It meant automatic excommunication for the Nun Administrator.
    No, I think you are reading it wrong. The Catholic patient was the one they were speaking of, unless she did one of two things, either she could appeal to the Vatican, or go to confession.


    from the article:

    Olmsted added that if a Catholic "formally cooperates" in an abortion, he or she is automatically excommunicated.

    Excommunication forbids the person from participating in church life. Remedies are available through an appeal to the Vatican or confession.


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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I think you are reading it wrong. The Catholic patient was the one they were speaking of, unless she did one of two things, either she could appeal to the Vatican, or go to confession.

    j-mac
    No it wasn't the patient.. it was the Nun Administrator.

    There is NO indication the patient was Catholic.

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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    This is exactly the kind of blind ideology that makes me see red. Physicians in Catholic hospitals are expected to allow a patient to die rather than violate church policy, a policy that dictates that women are expendable if pregnancy kills them.

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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I AM NOT SURE THIS IS POSTED IN THE PROPER CATEGORY, BUT THE STORY IS TIMELY......

    Nun at St. Joseph's Hospital rebuked over abortion to save woman

    Nun at St. Joseph's
    Hospital rebuked over
    abortion to save woman


    by Michael Clancy - May. 19, 2010 01:16
    PM
    The Arizona Republic

    A Catholic nun and longtime
    administrator of St. Joseph's
    Hospital and Medical Center in
    Phoenix was reassigned in the
    wake of a decision to allow a
    pregnancy to be ended in order to
    save the life of a critically ill
    patient.

    The decision also drew a sharp
    rebuke from Bishop Thomas J.
    Olmsted, head of the Phoenix
    Diocese, who indicated the
    woman was "automatically
    excommunicated" because of the
    action.
    OP does not clarify what we're supposed to be debating.

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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    More than that Bishop, who also declared the Pope immune from molestation charges, disaffiliated St. Joe's Hospital from the Catholic Church due to the abortion! Now it's just Joe's Hospital.

    To make matters more confusing St. Joe's has a wing that was donated and named after Muhammed Ali and his wife. No doubt that too has been a thorn in the bishop's side.

    No longer a Catholic I will refrain from expressing my views on the matter, but I will say that I most happy being a Buddhist.










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    Re: Abortion at St Joseph's Hospital to Save a Woman's Life..

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I think you are reading it wrong. The Catholic patient was the one they were speaking of, unless she did one of two things, either she could appeal to the Vatican, or go to confession.


    from the article:




    j-mac
    Perhaps I am reading it wrong.. or perhaps its poor reporting but here is the text:

    Neither the hospital nor the bishop's office would address whether the bishop had a direct role in her demotion. He does not have control of the hospital as a business but is the voice of moral authority over any Catholic institution operating in the diocese.

    The actions involving the administrator, mostly taken within the past couple of weeks, followed a last-minute, life-or-death drama in late 2009. The patient had a rare and often fatal condition in which a pregnancy can cause the death of the mother.

    Sister Margaret McBride, who had been vice president of mission integration at the hospital, was on call as a member of the hospital's ethics committee when the surgery took place, hospital officials said. She was part of a group of people, including the patient and doctors, who decided upon the course of action.


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